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How long is too long to ask for a debrief? :(

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Badders123 · 21/07/2016 13:14

My eldest son is 13
My experience at the hospital where I gave birth and subsequent "care" haunt me still and due to a baby being born into the family yesterday I have spent the night tossing and turning upset and angry all over again.
To this day I have no idea why Ds and I recieved such dreadful care....both at hospital in the community.
If I try and list what happened as I remember it will you -nicely! - tell me if I am being silly?
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I went into labour early at 37.5 weeks.
No idea I was in labour - thought it was sciatica - but I felt really weird and as the midwife said I has mild eclampsia the day before at my appt she advised going to get checked at hospital.
(I had 2 scans in my pg....12 weeks and 20 weeks....all fine.)
They Put me on a monitor and heartbeat was slow so I had a scan....sonographer said all fine and baby would be about 7lbs.
I went home.
Pains started to get regular but I still didn't realise I was in labour.
I started timing them about 6pm and they were 4/6 mins apart.
When they got closer I got Dh to strap on the tens and rang the hospital.
They were quite dismissive but said to go in.
So I did.
They didn't even examine me. Put me on a monitor.
Just said I was in early labour and told me to take some paracetamol.
I went home.
As I was getting ready for bed, I went to the loo and found I was bleeding.
I rang the maternity unit and was told to go back in.
So I did.
They examined me this time and found I was 5/6 cms dilated.
I was put into a room with a trainee midwife who frankly, irritated the hell out of me.
I was managing fine with the tens machine and breathing and she just kept on at me to try different methods like gas and air and pethidine.
By the time I was 8cms I was exhausted so gave in and had some pethidine - all this did was make me sleepy. Really wish I hadn't had it.
Midwife shift change and someone new came in at 7.30am
They broke my waters and ds1 was born quite quickly after at 8.37am
I had a second degree tear which was stitched and tbh didn't really cause me any issues after it healed.
But......Ds1 was only 4lbs 15oz. And no one could tell me why (or indeed seemed interested)
I didn't understand how the sonographer had got it so wrong at the scan just 18 hours before.
I had the injection to speed up delivery of the placenta (a woman just came in the room and jabbed my leg then left)
The placenta wAsnt coming away quickly enough so the midwife pulled it out - it was scraggy and thin and not healthy looking.
Due to her yanking I was left with retained placenta - didn't know this for a few days though.
We were taken up to a ward.
He had jaundice and despite trying to feed, my breasts weren't producing milk, and when the midwives tried to hand express blood just came out. I was crying in pain and they didn't care. It was just blood.
He was getting no milk at all.
He was so so small.
I was so worried.
I was made to feel silly. "We've had much smaller babies on this ward!!"
The night midwives were horrid to me. One almost broke the bed she pulled Ds crib so hard! Again they tried hand expressing til I cried with pain.
I was refused a bottle of formula for him.
I was so desperate to leave that we left 36 hours after his birth.
I was very sore and starting with an infection from the retained placenta.
By the next morning Ds was floppy and not feeding.
The midwife came round and was very dismissive til she took one look at him and sent us back into hospital.
We were sent to the children's ward, not scbu and were treated appallingly.
He was under the lights and by this point was on an ng tube which broke my heart.
One nurse shouted at me "you need to decide how you are feeding this baby!!" I was so upset I couldn't bf and felt an utter failure.
After a week we were allowed to go home as he had got back up to birth weight (!) but he was still not right and I tried and tired to tell the midwives and hv but they didn't listen.
After 6 weeks of hell of watching my boy get weaker and weaker and feeling utterly helpless the hv agreed with me that he was still jaundiced and back to hospital we went.
Again they were very dismissive but did a blood test and sent us home.
The next day I got a phone call from the head haematologist to say we had to take him to hospital staight away has he had a strep infection in his blood.
He was in for a week on iv abx.
He picked up after that and started to feed and gain weight although by this time he was far far behind his peers.
In fact for some weeks we thought he had cp.
Because he was in hospital they didn't do his 6 week heel prick test.
The midwives blamed the hospital and they blamed the midwives.
It got done eventually.
We were given NO help or guidance in how to help our son who was to all intents and purposes a 32 prem - as that's when they think my placenta stopped working.
My experience was such I waited 5 years to have another baby and went to another hospital to deliver.
I struggle going back to that place even now.
I will wait until my family member is home to see the baby....I cannot go onto that post natal ward :(
Am I being stupid?
I was told some years ago my notes were "lost"? Surely that's just the hand held ones?
Every midwife and nurse I death with (except one) treated me like an idiot.
I was a new mum, vulnerable and as it turned out, ill.
I feel very fortunate my Ds made it tbh. It was despite their "care" rather than because of it. It transpired he was an IUGR baby but undx.
I get so sad and bitter when I hear of new babies - why did their mums get good care? Why did their babies get looked after properly? Why not me and mine?
Unsurprisingly I got late onset pnd....a direct result of my experiences I believe.
My son is now doing well, after a very hard start.
It's been 13 years.
Do it need to just suck it up?
If you got through all that, thank you x

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Badders123 · 24/07/2016 15:16

So many things swirling round my head
I think my mil is annoyed with me but I can't visit sil in there
I just can't
Ds has 78% lung function - is this because he didn't get steroids at birth like Prem babies should?
I'm so so tired and can barely look at dh (who admits he was useless at the time)

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dog4x4parkingloobrushwanker · 24/07/2016 16:24

I wouldn't blame yourself for his lung function, 37 weeks is classed as full term so it is unlikely that they would have given him steroids before birth at that gestation.

Badders123 · 24/07/2016 16:59

He stopped growing inside me at approx 32 weeks

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Badders123 · 25/07/2016 18:34

I have had a reply from pals and my request is being dealt with
Thanks

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Badders123 · 25/07/2016 18:34

I have had a reply from pals and my request is being dealt with
Thanks

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divafever99 · 26/07/2016 14:58

Thanks for the update op, and well done for taking these first steps. I hope you get the help you need soon.

Badders123 · 04/08/2016 08:05

Quick update...
I had a phone call last night from pals and someone is going to meet me face to face (not the supervisor of midwives - I think it's the head of midwifery)
They are writing to me and we will arrange a date.
My friend is going to go with me.
Thanks everyone.

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billabye · 04/08/2016 16:14

That's good that they've got back to you and that your friend is supporting you. I hope it helps you to move past your awful experience.

Badders123 · 04/08/2016 16:21

They phoned again!
Going in on 19th!

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Badders123 · 19/08/2016 13:59

So...it's this afternoon
Feel sick 😞
I will let you know how I get on...

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RNBrie · 19/08/2016 14:08

Good luck Badders. I hope you get some answers and can start to get some closure.

I've had one average birth, one lovely one and one horrible one (the most recent, 7 weeks ago) I'm tempted to ask for a debrief but at the moment I'm just trying to get over it. It was nothing like as bad as yours though so I think I just need a bit of time to process it.

Please let us know how your meeting goes if you want to Flowers

Badders123 · 19/08/2016 18:44

Hi
It went ok
I cried - am cross with myself about that - but my friend was great and very supportive
The two midwives were very helpful, went through all my notes, and answered all my questions
Sadly the basic consensus was that yes, ds did receive very poor care but that it wouldn't happen now
They did answer a couple of questions that have been bugging me for years which I feel better about
All in all I'm glad I went, they agreed my notes were not always an accurate record of what happened too
Good luck to all those contemplating song this - I would recommend it
X

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Featherybum · 23/08/2016 23:17

Glad it was helpful. I had one after DC1 and it was just a relief to have what happened acknowledged more than anything. Dont feel bad for getting upset or your feelings about it, sounds like they are very natural and only to be expected under the circumstances. Really hope it helps you heal, good luck xx

shrunkenhead · 26/08/2016 23:34

I didn't know you could do this so this thread has been really enlightening. I have been considerering asking for my notes as I had a traumatic birth (although for different reasons and my little one was nowhere near as poorly or low birth weight as your ds). I had counselling and hypnotherapy to get me past the PTSD. I felt I'd failed my dd at birth so to compensate I had to get the breastfeeding right, her weight dropped and dropped (I didn't have enough milk genuinely ). My dd is 7 now and while I can look back on her birth without too much sadness I'm going to look into a debrief as think that would give me complete closure. I will never have another baby. Partly because of the birth trauma.

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