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Finally got a debrief, now I'm really worried about it.

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shatteredboo · 15/09/2014 20:18

Firstly, I'm sorry if there are already other threads about debriefs, if i'm honest I need to get a few things off my chest.

I suffered (what I considered to be) a very traumatic birth experience with DS 13 months ago. I have made several requests through both HV and GP over the past year to arrange a debrief and I have finally managed to secure one. I am now beginning to feel very anxious about the meeting, partly due to the fact I have had to push so hard for it and that it wasn't offered to me in the first place. I know of several people who were offered one that had, by their own admission, less traumatic experiences than myself. I am sending myself a bit loopy wondering why it had been so difficult for me to secure a meeting and beginning to question if I 'deserve' one as a result. Its a horrible feeling.

I had a very long and drawn out labour following an induction at 42+1, I went into hospital on the sunday morning and didn't deliver DS until the Tuesday morning. DS was back to back and in an awkward position, failing to progress which resulted in forceps, an episiotomy and a 3rd degree tear. When DS was finally delivered in theatre I had all of 30 seconds with him before they took him away from me and out of the room along with my partner. Whilst beginning to stitch me up they had lost the needle. Although I appreciate I had pretty much lost the plot mentally by this stage, I knew something wasn't right. I was told they may have to x-ray me as they were searching the theatre from top to bottom and could not find it. This went on for quite some time, whilst I was left in stirrups, in the middle of the theatre by myself. I just remember sobbing uncontrollably and feeling so alone.

I have no idea how long this went on for, DP and I estimate at least 30-45 minutes. The needle was finally located and I was released and reunited with DS and DP. Minutes later, the consultant came along and told me I would have to have a blood test as one of the doctors had cut herself while stitching me up.

Whilst on the ward, I discovered that I had not regained feeling in the lower part of my left leg and foot. (towards the end I had an epidural and was laid on my side to allow drug to drain through to my back). I was assured this was just the after effects of the epidural and was allowed home a day later.

To cut a long story short I had foot drop. I could not move my foot at all to walk and could only drag it beside me. After seeing a GP and consequently a neurosurgeon (privately as the wait for NHS was absurd), having MRI scans and nerve conduction studies carried out, I was told that my nerves had almost certainly been crushed by being left on my side in stirrups in one position for far too long during labour. I was given a prognosis of up to 18 months for recovery, and this was not guaranteed in itself.

I am happy to say that I have regained full use of my leg and foot now, however, being left like this with a newborn was horrendous and the thought that I may never get better when I had just given birth was almost too much to bear.

If you have read this far, Thank you!

What I'm really concerned about is that I'm going to fall to pieces in the debrief. I don't really know what I want out of it other than for the hospital to know how much they have damaged me both mentally and physically. I feel like the first few months of what should have been a special and magical time with my first born child were taken away from me and I'll never get that back. I just feel so bitter and sad about it all.

I don't really know why I've written all this to be honest, I think I felt like I needed to get it out. What do I say at the debrief? What can they possibly say to make me feel any better? Why have they made it so difficult for me to actually have this meeting? I have so many anxieties about it.

Thank you in advance for any advice. Smile

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Hassled · 15/09/2014 20:24

Blimey - you poor thing. No wonder you're in pieces about it - that is just gobsmackingly awful. I can't help re the debrief - but you will have someone supportive with you, won't you? Someone who can take over if you lose the plot a bit?
The very best of luck - I really hope it helps you to move on.

eagle2010 · 15/09/2014 20:28

Hi shattered, sorry to read of your traumatic experience.

I had a traumatic birth with DS 11.5 months ago. I won't go into detail here but a few days after the birth (we were still in hospital due to EMCS) the doctor who had managed me during labour and in theatre came to speak to me.

She went through everything step by step and explained lots of things which I didn't know about at the time.

I felt much better about everything after speaking to her but now, almost a year later, I still have questions that I feel I'd like to ask.

So I'd say if you write down some questions you'd like them to answer or simply just say to them that they've left you feeling physically and mentally vulnerable.

I'm sure it will be emotional - will DP or someone else be with you? They might be able to take notes for you. Don't worry about being upset though, these people need to know how their actions have impacted on you so that they can have better practices in the future.

The best of luck and I hope the debrief brings you some "closure" (terrible word!!!)

Leaningtoweroflisa · 15/09/2014 20:31

Well done for writing it all down and getting it out. You had a hard time, didn't you?

I guess they may be worried you are thinking about bringing medical negligence proceedings against them, which you would be entitled to do given that you suffered harm. But this is no excuse for putting you off.

I had my debrief quite soon after and I think actually too soon. I was terrified of losing control, because I felt so out of control during my labour/delivery and was awfully traumatised and still too raw. I did not want to fall apart and felt I did fall apart - looking back, I probably didn't! Though I was obviously upset and distressed, which to me is falling apart.

I don't have a huge amount of advice. What helped me was that the consultant who met with me was lovely and I felt listened to, and reassured. She also let me look at my notes and discussed them with me. She agreed there were things that should have been done very differently.

That's probably as much as anyone could hope for from a debrief though. An apology that seems genuine and some answers.

,maybe one of having some control would be to allow yourself permission to lose control a little at the debrief? Will your dh be there to support you to get the answers or response you need.?

Good luck.

FamiliesShareGerms · 15/09/2014 20:38

I'm not surprised you are feeling shaky about relieving a traumatic experience

Please don't diminish your feelings about what happened (eg saying your friends had worse experiences) as that's irrelevant at the debrief. And please make sure you're accompanied

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shatteredboo · 15/09/2014 20:51

Thank you everyone for all your replies and advice. Yes, DP will be with me, so will be there to take over if it gets too much. We're currently putting together a kind of timeline of events and list of questions.

I just hope it does help me move on from this in some way, even if it's just an admission that things were very badly handled. It doesn't help that I've waited this long for the meeting, as I have just spent all this time dwelling on it and turning it over in my mind when I should have been devoting all my time to my little boy.

Thank you all again for listening and for offering your wisdom and kind words xx

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LadyWithLapdog · 15/09/2014 21:00

It sounds truly awful. I hope you get some answers and perhaps acceptance that you won't get all the answers. Best wishes.

MrsCakesPrecognition · 15/09/2014 21:18

Please don't feel that the delay in your debrief is a reflection on how "deserving" you are. Sadly, I suspect it is more likely to come under the heading of cock-up rather than a deliberate plot. In my area there is a fab Birth Afterthoughts service run by a specialist MW. Unfortunately I suspect that very few GPs or HVs are aware of this great service and they would rather fob women off than admit to not knowing how to refer you.

I really hope you find the debrief useful and you get some of the answers you need.

Boobsofsteel · 15/09/2014 21:28

I had a very traumatic birth and declined meeting with the hospital staff as I felt they would not have explained but made excuses instead.

I complained and then sued them which gave me access to an explanation from an external, expert obstetrician and a Harley street psychiatrist. I had my PTSD diagnosed and treated as well as a small financial compensation.

If the thought of this meeting is making you feel this unhappy there is a chance that you may have PTSD in which case the meeting could cause more damage than good.

TheTruffleHunter · 15/09/2014 21:46

Do you know who will be doing the debrief with you? I ask because when I had one a few months after DD's birth, it was done by a senior midwife who had not been involved in the process and had not looked at my notes beforehand so was unable to offer any real insight other than to sneeringly comment that I'd 'had my money's worth' out of them. I really hope that you get some comfort from the meeting but please don't pin too much hope on it.

Pico2 · 15/09/2014 22:01

I had some similarities with DD's birth - induction, birth at 42+1, bad tearing (mine was a bit different), foot drop (you are the first person I have come across who also had this). The doctors were like watching Laurel and Hardy while stitching me up and couldn't get the swab count right. When I thought it couldn't any worse my stitches got infected and came apart and further surgery was needed. However some of what you experienced sounds like "never" events that really were cock-ups, where as mine was more the bad luck end of the spectrum. I'm a bit surprised that a senior consultant hasn't already been in touch to try to minimise the damage and persuade you not to sue them.

I also felt that the first few months of my DD's life was ruined and it really made it hard to bond with her initially.

I had a debrief and the MW spent 2 hours going through it with us. TBH the best we got from her was a "sorry you interpreted it that way" as I think she didn't want to admit any liability.

The things I found more useful were specialist perinatal counselling - it really allowed me to accept that my feelings were reasonable and normal given the circumstances. That let me get on with bonding with my daughter. While we paid for this counselling, my counsellor said that the NHS will occasionally pay for her services if they have messed up as it is cheaper than litigation, so it might be worth asking.

The other thing that is now great is that we are having a second baby and I am having a private CS. I would easily get a CS on the NHS, and probably be able to get named consultant and negotiate not to have to see Laurel or Hardy again. But seeing a private team who will be with me right the way through and I don't have to explain my history to over and over again (it still makes me cry) is great.

Pico2 · 15/09/2014 22:03

PTSD is definitely a possibility - that is what my counsellor thought, though formal diagnosis would require a psychiatrist.

UpUpAndAway123 · 15/09/2014 22:05

Hi OP,

Sorry you had such an awful experience. The debrief will be emotional but I think it will also be beneficial and could help others in the future (one thing I think of is why did they take baby away whilst being stitched?).
I had a traumatic first time, had PTSD, PND, therapy, antidepressants etc.... I had my debrief last November before I got pregnant with this one (4 years after birth), I wish I would have done it sooner and although some things still annoyed me, it was wholly beneficial and answered all my questions and empowered me for this pregnancy and birth.
Take someone with you and some questions/paper to write things down x

UpUpAndAway123 · 15/09/2014 22:07

And I met with a supervisor of midwives who had read through my notes....she actually ctiticised some of the practice and didn't try to hide anything x

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