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Experiences of the Elizabeth Garrett Anderson hospital in London

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Loulou000 · 21/07/2006 14:03

Hi. I'm booked into the Elizabeth Garrett Anderson in central London and would really like to hear if anyone has given birth there and what it was like. Also, I haven't given much thought to independent midwives or doulas so far, but I've been doing some reading and would like to know whether it might be useful to have one at the EGA if the NHS care's not so good. Thanks a lot.

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PrettyCandles · 21/07/2006 14:11

I gave birth there in 2000 and in 2002 (so perhaps a bit out of date by now) and felt extremely well-cared-for. They have two units - the midwife-led Bloomsbury Birth Centre, and the consultant-led Labour Ward. They are in the same building, on the same floor even, IIRC, so it's very easy and safe to transfer from one to the other if necessary. When I arrived in 2002 the BBC was full, so I laboured in the Labour Ward, but was treated as if I was in teh BBC.

Minuses (IME):

If you're coping they tend to leave you alone except for regular checks. This is probably because the midwives are extremely busy. But if you need someone they will be there for you.

Postnatally the wards are overcrowded and too hot. Get an amentiy room if you can, it's worth every penny.

The food is dire. They encourage you to eat and drink during labour, and will find something for you to eat whatever hour you end up coming onto the postnatal ward, but it's not even half-way decent. Pack lots of carbs into your labour bag to satisfy the raging hunger that comes after labour, and get visitors to bring lots of good food when they visit.

Apart from that I feel my care was excellent. There is one midwife in particular who is calm, gentle, authoritative - her name is Chris Mutakrishnan and she delivered both my babies.

Loulou000 · 21/07/2006 16:53

Hi PC and thanks for the reply. Can cope with bad food as long as I'm allowed to bring food in!

Do you book an amenity room in advance? Or just see if one's available at the time?

I'm thinking I'd like to give birth in the BBC - presumably I need to ask my midwife if I can book in there?

So many things to learn!

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PrettyCandles · 21/07/2006 17:12

You can't book an amentiy room in advance, but if you tell them that you will want it when you arrive in labour, they may be able to put you in the queue, so-to-speak, and then it will be first past the post of all the women who are labouring at that time and who have requested the room. When I was there there were 3 amenity rooms, IIRC, not all with en suite.

Best person to ask for details would be one of the EGA/UCH midwives at an a-n appointment.

We also found their parenting classes useful. They are really about giving birth at that hospital, rather than about preparation for birht in general - for those you need to go to the NCT - but give you all sorts of usefull information about how things work at EGA. BTW, NCT classes can book up quite quickly, especially if you're due at an awkward time, like just after the summer holidays, so I'd recommend talking to them asap, if you're interested in them.

beckybrastraps · 21/07/2006 17:16

I was born in the EGA.

So my experiences aren't much help really....

But it's nice to see the name!

Loulou000 · 24/07/2006 12:33

Thanks again Pretty and hi Becky! Nice to know at least one person has been successfully born there.

I asked about NCT ages ago and it was odd - they weren't booked up but didn't seem to know if they were holding any classes at the right time. Luckily I found an ex-NCT woman who holds classes in my area instead.

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Morningnewspaper · 25/07/2006 10:49

Hello - sorry to gate-crash. I'm due to give birth at the EGA in December and am very keen to hear what everyone says! I also tried to book in with the NCT for a-n classes but they said they couldn't fit me in. I've just booked on to EGA's 'Parentcraft' classes for week 28 (you book for 28 or 32 weeks oddly for a one off 1/2 day session on a Saturday). They also said that you can phone on a Sunday to be given a guided tour and there's a drop in 'sesh' on wednesdays to chat to other mums to be etc. Rather relieved actually, as I was beginning to wonder if I would ever meet any new mum's in London!

Loulou000 · 25/07/2006 11:31

Hi Morningnewspaper. I'm booked into the EGA in December too! Maybe I'll see you there. Do you post on the Due in December thread? Lots of friendly people.

Whereabouts do you live in London? I'm in EC1, but trying to move to somewhere quieter before the baby comes... but that's another story.

Oh I didn't know they did classes at the EGA, or that you had to book this early. Who did you speak to to sort that out?

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Morningnewspaper · 25/07/2006 12:01

Hi Loulou!
I'm just going off to the dentist but I will rummage in my file and post all info I have when I get back! I'm due on the 9th December and live in Islington...... my overriding question currently is how to get the baby back from the hospital there after birth - do you take a car seat with you and then use it in a taxi home?? Any ideas??

Loulou000 · 25/07/2006 12:06

Hi! Thanks, that would be great.

I'm in Clerkenwell and have been worrying about that exact same question! As I know they won't let you in a car without a baby seat, so presumably it's the same in a taxi... but I mean, I don't even have a car, so I'm hardly going to buy a car seat specially. My best plan so far is to take a papoose thing and make DP carry baby home (we're probably 25 mins walk away). Or to move house by then.

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Bloomsbury · 25/07/2006 12:40

Hi Loulou000 - I had my daughter at the EGA in November 2004, as did a number of friends from my NCT class (Stoke Newington was the nearest to us in Kings X) and local antenatal class. A great range of experiences, all of which went fine. One was in the birthing pool of the BBC and mine started in BBC but was quickly walked to the Labour ward across the corridor and was there until I went for an emergency C-Section. All very well dealt with.
However, postnatal care was not in the same league - unmotivated and terse staff with a fairly insensitive attitude to the needs of a new mother with concerns about getting out of bed with a massive C-Section wound! I also received fairly brief guidance on breastfeeding which left me with a few problems to fix on my departure!
I'd advise going for an amenity room if you'll be staying in more than a night. If just one night it can be quite helpful to be 'in circulation' because more staff are around and you're more likely to have questions about being a 'newbie' mum - the amenity rooms give privacy but you can feel a little 'out on a limb'. Hope this helps and good luck to you and all the other EGA mumstobe.

Loulou000 · 25/07/2006 13:55

Thanks Bloomsbury that's really helpful. I guess I'll just have to make sure I can go home quickly!

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welshmum · 25/07/2006 14:08

Hi had both babies there in 2002 and 2005 - both elective c-section. EGA has the reputation of being an excellent teaching hospital and I had the most fantastic care (complicated pregnancies so I guess I was interesting to them!)Ante natal is a bit of a cattle market, crowded and always involves a long wait. I found the staff really great though and if anything, God forbid, is wrong with your baby then it is a wonderful place (dd ended up in neo natal)

Morningnewspaper · 25/07/2006 14:23

Hi LouLou,

I'm back! Right then - I got all this from the a-n clinic yesterday from the receptionist who was very helpful and gave me their 'learning curve' sheet......and DPs welcome to all.

Breast feeding Workshops 13:30 - 15:45hrs in a-n clinic in the basement (drop in I think): every month...6th & 20th Oct; 3rd & 17th Nov; 1st & 15th Dec

Tours of Hospital: sundays labour room waiting room at 3pm. Phone first on 0207 387 9300 x 8720 to check before leaving home.

Morningnewspaper · 25/07/2006 14:27

They also have something called 'Great Expectations' on most wednesdays 3-5pm (they will tell which wednesdays they don't have it). For you living in EC1, they say they have classes arranged by your community midwives and to discuss this at your next appointment or phone the community midwife base on 0207 387 9300 x 9567 or 8729. I hope all this helps! Did you have any luck with the NCT?? I'm also thinking that a sling will be best and def for you if you don't need a car seat at all!!!

Loulou000 · 25/07/2006 15:50

Thanks a lot for the info MN, have mailed my midwife and will give the community midwives a call and see about classes in my area. No great expectations or BF workshops for me though as I shall be at work. Can't wait to go on maternity leave!

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Morningnewspaper · 26/07/2006 13:04

Can anyone see any reason why we can't have new baby in a sling and then hop in to a taxi? You can still be strapped in with no harm to baby.

Loulou000 · 26/07/2006 15:34

I imagine the thinking is that it's not safe for a baby to be in a sling in a car and the only safe way is a car seat. I'm no expert but I am guessing that's what people would say, otherwise why would anyone get a car seat?

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pollydoodle · 26/07/2006 17:26

I was supposed to give birth at the EGA last year and had all my ante natal care there. I had a pretty miserable experience there all the way through - my GP needed to send them seven letters before they actually didn't lose one and were able to give me my first appointment .

Always had to wait a long time to see somebody at the ante natal clinic, often for more than hour beyond my appointment time. And then the appointments were really rushed and didn't provide very much help of information. They also didn't bother to let me know that I was anaemic - it took 3 months of me complaining that I was really really tired and being told that 'it was just because I was pregnant' for somebody to ask how the iron tablets were working... and when I asked what iron tablets, they said the ones for your anaemia... what anaemia i asked. not remotely apologetic, just oh well, looks like it slipped through the system, you should have had a letter telling you to get iron tablets three months ago. grrr.

However their biggest failing was when I went for my 39 week appointment. the registrar wanted to give me a sweep (and there's me thinking that they were what you used to induce late babies) and despite having symptoms of pre-eclampsia he said it was nothing to worry about and to come back in a week. When I persisted he said I could have some blood tests but as appointment was running so late the blood technicians had gone home, he wouldn't do it and I had to go back the next day for blood tests.

Lucky for me I have an aunt at another london hospital that is a specialist in pre-eclampsia. when I rang her to find out if/when I should be worried with my symptoms she was horrified I had even been allowed to walk out of the hospital. If I'd had a partner with me maybe I would have been allowed to go home by taxi to get my suitcase and come straight back but that's about it. by the time I ended up speaking to her it was late the next evening - she took me straight down to her hospital and ran the tests herself. they came back positive and I was admitted there after midnight and stayed until induced a couple of days later.

must admit in hindsight worked out well I think - she knew the consultants at EAG very well and reported the registrar who had brushed me off so think he would have got quite a big rollicking . Hopefully he won't make that mistake again in a hurry but it is not like it was some rare 1-in-a million sort of thing - there's no excuse.

And the hospital I ended up at had en-suite bathrooms in the delivery rooms - from what I could see at ega there were shared ones that you had to go out of the room to. Birth was bad enough, but having to deal with walking around in public in labour / queueing / shared toilets / etc just doesn't bear thinking about.

On the other hand, one of the other people in my nct group was also there and had a fab experience, long appointments, saw the same person each time, good birth experience. Really did feel like we were talking about two completely different places when we compared notes afterwards so think positive and maybe you'll hit lucky!

pollydoodle · 26/07/2006 17:28

forgot to say. If you are going in a proper london taxi cab then if the baby is in a proper pram you can put the pram in the back of the cab and leave the baby in it.

I didn't do this to leave hospital but needed to use taxis a couple of times when ds was young and that's what we were told by the taxi driver.

Loulou000 · 27/07/2006 10:58

Oh my goodness Pollydoodle, I'm so sorry you had such a terrible experience! What a nightmare. I hope it's not normal for the EGA. :-|

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faithb · 07/08/2006 23:27

LouLou and MorningNewspaper - I'm also going to EGA and live in EC1 (Islington). But due before you two in October, so I can let you know how it goes!

My friend went to EGA for her two and found the care just adequate. They didn't take her seriously when she said she was labouring with her second, and wanted her to wait until more staff were available. I get the general impression that they are understaffed there although the care when you finally get it is second to none!

I'm going to use the Birth Centre and hope everything goes well for a natural, active birth. In terms of antenatal care, my community midwife (based at my GP on City Road) is a bit scatty but I like her. She's in no hurry to book my classes (which will take place on Amwell St) and TBH I'm not all that fussed about attending them. I feel like I've done enough internet research to become a midwife myself LOL. Will be attending more for DH's education than for my own purposes

Loulou000 · 08/08/2006 12:06

Hello Faithb, I live in EC1 too!

Yeah, definitely getting the impression of understaffing. I can never get hold of my midwife, she never answers emails or phone calls, and no one else there is ever keen to help. I've got into the habit of finding answers to all my questions online instead, and am going to do private a/n classes with Bridget Baker in Hackney.

I hope to use the birthing centre too. Do you have to kind of book it in advance, or just see if there's space there when you turn up?

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conni · 08/08/2006 18:52

Gave birth their this March. Understaffed, lots of mistakes, poor communication, filthy, but we both survived

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