Caesareans - anyone read this?

[Sweetypie]

This was published in the independent yesterday... anyone else read it? Thought it was interesting myself!

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twiglet

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Hmmm interesting reading
YUP!
The point that c sections may be safer for women than natural birth in current hospital conditions?
I do agree that the handling of labours in hospital can lead to over medication and the failure of natural homrone releases that ensure a "smooth" progressive labour
Having had two of these labours myself, ie drug free and instinct led with very supportive midwife. Trust me I know I'm lucky - I'm also very good at getting what I want!
Having said that I then found myself saying once that I'd rather have a section than an episiotomy.
Arrghhh

nothing to do with the fact that Amsterdam is a prosperous first world capital and Sao Paolo a slum and ghetto ridden hell hole?!

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Countess D oooh you cynic
LOL

twiglett, that bit (Sao Paolo v Amsterdam) jumped out at me too - already had it copied ready to paste! "A conclusion may be premature" - I should say so!

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Am looking forward to seeing the two young Beckham boys running the London gangland in 15 yrs time though

With my dd no doubt...

Maybe we should do a mumsnet survey and see if those born by caeserean have an impaired ability to love?

Actually will do one now!

My oldest brother has impaired ability to love and he was totally au naturel birth
Me and my other brother were dragged out by pliers, we love too much

OK off you all go and do the survey
No giving away why I want this info pls hee hee

You gave it away yourself!!!

oh, I was going to post about this yesterday - thought is would start a bit of a debate

my dd is doomed already then, will get her measured for her leg tag. Maybe could form a gang with kiwi and cd offspring, The Mumsnetnippers oooer scary.

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And my two, scary, unloving little whippersnappers the pair of them.

I think that Michael Odent does the homebirth movement a HUGE disservice.
How can 80% of Sao Paulo babies be born by C-section when millions of its residents live in Shantytowns? Does the WorldBank pay for their medical bills? I smell a rat.
There are areas of Amsterdam you definitely wouldn't walk around in at night. I know because I've looked at the windows onthe commuter train and thought "Get off here, no way!" Inclined to include Odent is a privileged git.

Maybe that's 80% of women who are fortunate enough to even receive any professional care in pg and childbirth, Zebra.

I agree Zebra that the Sao Paulo stat seemed a bit dodgy, let alone the conclusions drawn from it.

But that's almost my point, Suedonim -- is Odent suggesting that the Sao Paulo muggers are mostly from it's wealthy community? Or that only the rich matter? Or that being born by C-section makes you want to turn into somebody who reinforces social inequalities, creating higher crime rates? I don't know or what Odent is talking about, but not reality, that's for sure. Idiot appears to know nothing about causes of crime, statistics or epidemiology.

I bet C-section rates are relatively low in South Africa (among the general population) and that's not exactly a low-crime place, is it?

D'oh, I see now, Zebra! It's a piece of nonsense, really, isn't it? It's a shame he has to spoil some of his other points by with a rather whacky statement.

PS I was rather shocked at all the graffiti in Amsterdam - not the image I'd had of it, at all!