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I have a phobia of being shouted at or overpowered when in pain or afraid. What do I do?

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working9while5 · 26/08/2013 09:55

This is dc3.

I was diagnosed with OCD and moderate depression in the middle of my second pregnancy. I got no support in pregnancy because they were mainly concerned about PND.

I've had a year of therapy since and have dealt with so much, but it has all come down to this deep fear of being overwhelmed when I am vulnerable, with a closely related fear of losing all approval for stating my feelings. This is compounded by feeling I don't trust NHS maternity services and experiences of friends and family where they have been begging for help and pointing out something is not right ending up in crash section and in one case a baby sadly dying.

I know exactly where the deeper fear comes from. I grew up in an alcoholic home and my mother the non-drinker has said to me she took all her rage at my father out on me. They were both very much full of rage and it was terrifying. This doesn't really bother me in real life because I have had a fair bit of therapy over the years and felt I had come to terms with it but in preparing for childbirth and being pregnant it's like my resistance is just so low that the things that usually work to manage old echoes of fear just... don't work. I am afraid that I will be in labour and know something is going wrong but not be able to communicate it because of my fear and that will lead to harm coming to my baby. I know this is low probability BUT the sheer awfulness of it as a prospect makes it very hard to let go of.

This is all complicated by the fact I've used up all my NHS therapy sessions and my experiences with private counselling were a bit pants to say the least. I'm also sick of talking about it, it doesn't seem to make any difference, I understand the process it just doesn't dissolve the fear.

My last birth was a perfect calm drug free water birth and I guess going into pregnancy I thought that experience would change my feelings of fear... but now I am pregnant I am finding that although it helps me to know now that I can manage the pain of childbirth without medication (I was terrified of being in a situation I would be begging for pain relief without being heard) I know ultimately every birth is so unique that it doesn't change this root anxiety. There are no guarantees and my tolerance of the uncertainty of maybe being in a situation where I am shouted at or ignored when in pain or afraid is just so low, especially as I am already at 10 weeks feeling depleted from constant sickness and disrupted sleep (was up to vomit at 3am).

Any advice? I am involved with the perinatal mh service but that's a whole other story. They just don't get it no matter how many times I explain it. They say things like 'well you're a planner and you would like a safety net for if you get poorly again'. I think they really only see it in terms of PND when that just isn't my concern. I don't think I am or ever have been poorly in pregnancy in the brain chemistry imbalance way they tout (though I did crash after birth last time which I think was just the fear of it all having worn me down). I think I am just scared and find it hard to manage the sheer extent of my fear in pregnancy to the point it takes over my life. They just nod and smile and tell me how irrational it all is... but I know that many many women I know personally have had the sort of experiences I feel would literally just break me and that it's not nearly as rare or uncommon for things to change rapidly, for health care professionals to be rough and insensitive with vulnerable women or for women to lose all power to voice an opinion in labour. They treat all this as a clinical symptom and I sometimes feel I am down the rabbit hole.

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AnotherStitchInTime · 26/08/2013 10:09

I completely understand how you feel. Labour is an overwhelming experience and to have to stick up for yourself when in a vulnerable position is very difficult.

Could you opt for a home birth?

Write very a clear birth plan and have a birthing partner who will stick up for you and your birth plan so you don't have to do it. If your partner isn't that strong then consider hiring a doula or independent midwife.

That way you could take back some of the control you are afraid of losing.

working9while5 · 26/08/2013 10:24

Tried home birth last time but freaked about that too because when they got out here I just felt that I should be taking care of them and I couldn't relax and my contractions stopped. They were absolutely lovely but it just wasn't for me. Also I think my boys will have to be minded in our house this time and I'm not keen on them being here.

A doula is probably the best. My husband just loses his voice around medical people. He is good at being silently supportive but he would not be very assertive. He was very against it last time though because he felt I was pushing him out/not trusting him. We've had a lot more opportunity to discuss it since and I think he has dropped a bit of the pride and pretence he would be comfortable asserting my needs in a difficult situation.

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AnotherStitchInTime · 26/08/2013 12:54

Have a look on Doula UK. There are lots of doulas, including trainee doulas who charge less. You can approach a few and find one that clicks with you.

I am expecting DC3 in January and also need a bit of sticking up for as I will be having a vaginal birth after 2CS. They love to try to intervene and pressurise you during a VBAC. My DH tried to stick up for me last time, but they tend to discount him as he is a man Hmm This time my mum will be there and she is not one to tangle with :) If she hadn't said she could be there I would have got a doula.

Remember you do not have to agree to anything you do not want. If you don't want any vaginal examinations that is your choice. If you don't want continuous monitoring that is your choice. If they do anything without consent it is assault.

You could also speak to the Supervisor of Midwives about your wishes for calm communication, she is there to protect your wishes and will write it in your notes.

Icedink · 26/08/2013 19:39

I definitely recommend a doula! I had a terrible experience with dc1 which left me with similar fears to you and it was a weight off my mind knowing that I would have someone there to act as my advocate. Dh was actually more involved in dc2's birth because he didn't need to worry about anything but supporting me.

working9while5 · 27/08/2013 10:08

What is the story with a doula in terms of choosing one... can you meet them a few times to get to know them? Also are they all very stuck on beautiful natural candlelit births? I don't really want anyone to get me through the Labour itself but I just want someone who can be assertive about the sort of communication I find helpful. To be fair, the last birth I had an uber birth plan about this and they were very good. I just want that little bit of control in case I get a midwife I'm not happy with.

You know the ridiculous thing is that half my problem is that I will give birth in the One Born Every Minute hospital and I am totally haunted by two episodes where doctors and midwives shouted at the woman. Isn't that such a silly reason to be afraid? But I just am I guess.

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AnotherStitchInTime · 27/08/2013 12:51

As far as I understand it, you meet with them for a chat and see if you click. If they are more lentil-weavery and ohm then you will see it from what they say on their blurb. There are some who are very experienced midwives re-training as doulas who would be able to argue for you more effectively knowing the system. It will depend on your area as to who you can get. Best to contact them early as they can get booked up with other ladies quickly.

Re: the hospital that is why you speak to the Supervisor of Midwives about your history and concerns. They are there to make sure you get the best care.

Icedink · 27/08/2013 14:20

I only met one doula but that was my choice - I clicked with her instantly and felt so calm in her presence that I knew I wanted her to be at the birth. She actually encouraged me to contact a few other doulas before I made the choice! In terms of what you want from them you are the boss, they are there to support you with your wishes not to push you to have what they feel is the ideal birth. My doula was quite lentil weavery but she was totally respectful of the things that I wanted and although my idea of the perfect birth is a lot different to hers she didn't try to sway my choices at all. After I had booked her we met 2 more times, once with my dh present to go through my birth plan and decide exactly what I wanted her to do and we discussed what I would want to happen in certain scenarios - for example if any complications arose.

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