I have heard about tugging on placenta before - leading to heomorage!!!

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www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2198725/Wife-bleeds-death-midwife-persuades-homebirth-inquest-hears.html

Here's what she said to the inquest according to the Evening Standard

"Ms Kacary told the hearing: "I reacted in the way I always react when my clients contact me and that's to say I will go there and see what's happening.

"If I had asked my husband for an ambulance he would immediately call an ambulance, so the fact that Simon didn't suggested to me it wasn't that serious.

"Simon knew his wife better than I did. To wash your hands of it like that is a little bit unfair."

So basically we have a healthcare professional who in a potentially life threatening situation who tries to blame someone who is not a healthcare professional and therefore is less likely to be able what is normal and what is dangerous.

Again, Papers don't always quote accurately. How is the midwife supposed to know how serious it is over the phone? Again, we don't know what he said to her on the phone!

And you haven't answered my question, but i'll carry on with my point.

The article that i quoted from previously was personal experience. And let me tell you, every single paper printed that, bar ONE, and not one of them was correct. They lied, they intimidated us for answers, they got her age wrong at one point, what is quoted in that article DID NOT HAPPEN LIKE THAT at all. Why do people assume papers quote accurately when they can't even get the events right?

I don't know what your horse story has to do with this, so I'm really not interested.

The inquest seems have to come to the conclusion that it was her failing, according to the Nursing Times

Widow - I'm trying to explain to you how wrong the papers get stories and why it is ridiculous to believe what they say.

I'm not saying she was in the right, i'm saying you don't know anything because you weren't there. If it's her failing then its her failing. I'm not arguing that. Saying 'shes wrong because so and so said this and the newspaper said' is stupid though.

I agree with the queen of diamonds.

We all know papers talk shit, I wouldn't base my opinion on them at all.

I wasn't there, the coroner however has recorded a verdict which holds her responsible. Or do you think that's misreported, too?

The verdict may not be misreported, But they still misreport what's said, and people do lie at inquests... and you weren't talking about the coronor until just now. You were basing your opinions on what's printed in the rags we call newspapers.

widow I think you're missing the point she's making. She's talking about people basing opinions on what's written in newspapers. No one said anything about the coroners report.

Agree with the lieing at inquests. My dads murderer didn't get his comeuppance because of people lieing.

Not sure what the point of the horse story was but my reaction to it was tragic accident.