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Just been told flat-on-back + stirrups the only possible birthing position in country where I'm living ...

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jkklpu · 05/01/2012 20:35

... Still in shock after tour of nearest maternity service this afternoon. Was all going swimmingly until the excellent nurse conducting the tour showed us into a sample delivery room and started messing around with the bed.

I remarked to dh that it didn't look very good for lots of delivery positions. And the nurse then said that, of course, ALL women in xxx country have to deliver on their backs with their legs strapped in the air (apart from CSs, naturally). Having had 2 normal deliveries, I laughed and said, surely, this couldn't be completely true: what if a mother really didn't want to do this or was getting on fine in another position? The response was that medical schools here don't "teach" anything else, so none of the staff has any relevant experience and couldn't guarantee the mother/baby's safety doing it any other way. She thought that in Britain all-fours was standard, so I simply said that in Britain, the mother decides what she wants to do and the staff can manage this.

Asked doctor at routine check-up this evening if this blanket "rule" was real, and she said yes, of course: you want a hospital delivery, you sign up to their rules. Her attitude was basically that if you want to do anything else, even if you've done it twice before and have a low-risk pregnancy, then you're jeopardising your baby and going back to the jungle.

Can any midwives/obs specialists explain whether any position with the mother's belly down/backwards causes the slightest complication for the baby (or staff), or whether it's just another indication of how medicalised (antiquated) the whole system is here?

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VintageNancy · 06/01/2012 01:11

I wonder if you're in the same country as me...

I haven't had a tour of the hospital I'm planning to deliver in yet but having read anecdotes and watched things on TV, the "on the back, feet in stirrups delivery" method seems pretty standard.

I've actually found a practise of midwives who I'm hoping will be more into active birth and will let me use whatever position I want.

nailak · 06/01/2012 01:26

Can you check other hospitals? Or hire someone.who is prepared to do home birth?

TheButterflyEffect · 06/01/2012 01:33

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jkklpu · 06/01/2012 07:16

Am now looking into home birth options, though don't want to become obsessed. It's only a few hours of my life, but if I can do this safely, then may go for it.
@nailak - all hospitals are the same....

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SoupDragon · 06/01/2012 07:38

Do you think they would manhandle you onto their preferred position? I wonder what they do if you refuse to move?

marthamay · 06/01/2012 08:14

Where are you???

Catslikehats · 06/01/2012 08:18

Where on earth are you?

AtYourCervix · 06/01/2012 08:19

a woman's basic anatomy does not change if she changes position.

coraltoes · 06/01/2012 13:54

No but a woman's anatomy suddenly has to fight gravity rather than work with it

coraltoes · 06/01/2012 13:54

Ah wait I mistook your pont at your cervix! Terribly sorry!!

Xmasbaby11 · 06/01/2012 15:36

It doesn't surprise me that some countries are like this - but I'm surprised you didn't find this out before you got pregnant to be honest!

jkklpu · 06/01/2012 19:15

It's an EU country, not anywhere terribly outlandish. I knew things were done in a much more managed, interventionist way, but this approach is almost comical. How many people can really say that they have researched birthing options wherever they are before they get pregnant?
Anyway, good news is I've got a few friends of friends of friends who have organised home births. So will see what I can find out.

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maxbear · 07/01/2012 00:18

Rediculous, all a midwife has to do if you are on all fours with your third is to catch! Some countries are so out of date. Hope you manage to have a lovely home birth. fwiw I have had two great homebirths and believe it to be a great option if all is well and you have good midwifery support. Grin

narmada · 07/01/2012 23:13

In your position I would go for a home birth too. How ridiculous to make women give birth in that position! It must be somewhere very patriarchal - my money's on Greece, Portugal or Italy.

mercibucket · 07/01/2012 23:19

Do you get to choose the obs? You can prob find someone who will agree to other positions if so. Otherwise hb, perhaps with expat mw, or just go with the flow, see if they let you when you turn up. I was flipped into position for birth but laboured as I wanted. Not ideal at all but it was ok

mercibucket · 07/01/2012 23:19

Do you get to choose the obs? You can prob find someone who will agree to other positions if so. Otherwise hb, perhaps with expat mw, or just go with the flow, see if they let you when you turn up. I was flipped into position for birth but laboured as I wanted. Not ideal at all but it was ok

AlpinePony · 08/01/2012 17:44

Is it possible you can go across the border? A woman I knew did not want to give birth in the Netherlands so took her health insurance a few miles over the border in to Belgium.

jkklpu · 08/01/2012 20:43

Same situation across the only border, so no point. Interesting what you say about Belgium/Netherlands: from what I know of each, I'd much rather stay have the experience in NL than in Belgium, which is about as interventionist as it is here; whereas NL has high home birth rate and more laid-back in general. But may well depend on which part of the country people are in.

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claireinmodena · 08/01/2012 21:14

Hello op , unfortunately I have no solutions for you, but curious to know why you wong mention which country you are in? j kmagine it might help other peope give you somd advice as well..

AlpinePony · 09/01/2012 05:15

jkklpu - I know, I have absolutely no idea why she opted for Belgium - this was all years before I had children myself so I never really questioned her motives, but I do remember her saying that the mortality rates were higher in NL and she did not want to home birth.

But you're right - Belgium is afaik quite "traditional", although there are homebirth options. My first here in NL was a planned homebirth but unfortunately I got PE and ended up with an EMCS, number two has to be done in hospital as a result of the emcs (fair enough in my opinion - being in an emergency situation has sharpened my focus a little!) - but I have been told I'd be allowed an active birth although sadly no pools at my local hospital.

LaTristesse · 09/01/2012 21:02

It's crazy isn't it. Makes me very grateful for the set-up in the UK. I really resent that in this day and age some countries would still rather put medical convenience ahead of comfort for mother and baby. I hope you manage to find a way round it OP.

OhFraktiousTree · 09/01/2012 21:11

I got told that at one maternity unit. I changed maternities.

They cannot force you and they cannot manhandle you. Swot up on the relevant laws - if you're in France I have several good sites.

Victorialucas · 09/01/2012 21:30

That sounds awful! I hope you find some resolution.

jkklpu · 12/01/2012 21:38

Hurrah - have managed to find out there's a network of German OBs/midwives who do home-births. Although it all feels semi-underground, it's official enough. Going to call them tomorrow. Thanks for the various support.

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