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Natural childbirth experiences from SPD / PGP sufferers please...

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8rubberduckies · 23/05/2011 20:30

I am pregnant with dc2 and suffered from SPD and PGP in my first pregnancy; it wasn't too bad but I was on crutches by the ned of the pregnancy. To cut a long story short I ended up being induced as very overdue, having to be monitored as ds was distressed, labouring on my back and then giving birth in stirrups and having a forceps delivery Sad. I had written all the right stuff in my birth plan, but the midwives / nurses etc said the safety of my child was more important than taking my SPD into account during labour, which of course meant I put up and shut up and felt really selfish for putting my pain first.

My coccyx was damaged during the delivery and unsurprisingly I am really suffering this time around with pain; my lower back is painful and my SPD / PGP is worse. I am seeing a chiropractor this time around and she has suggested I ask for an ELCS, as she is worried about the level of pain I could experience during and after a natural delivery if it is long or complicated again.

I have already written my birth plan and said that I would rather have an emergency caesarean than a forceps delivery, but am now sorely tempted to just go for an ELCS, especially as my first labour was very difficult and intense (I went from 0-10cm in 1 hour, and then spent 6 hours pushing, as baby got stuck).

I just can't decide what to do! I am meeting up with my consultant this week and want to hear from people about their experiences of delivery with similar problems before I make a decision. How did it go for you, whether you had an ELCS or opted for natural delivery?

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skyebluepink · 24/05/2011 08:52

Hi Rubber
I am sort of bumping for you as I only have experience of my first labour. I was on crutches / a wheelchair and it massively impacted my labour which from the point of meconium in my waters ended up, similar to yours - on my back - in a forceps delivery. I didn't have any particular trauma to my back but 9 months later I still have hip pain ( am hoping BFing is the reason and that this will eventually go). My birth experience was literally the opposite of what I had wanted and I often wonder about the next one ( touch wood). Possibly worse than the pgp, I had a 3rd degree tear and the consequences of another tear could be pretty serious. But of course none of that could happen!

Anyway - my point to you is that it is your decision and if you feel like you really want a c-section then speak to your consultant about it. Make sure you do that thing where you write down all your questions and so you come away with all the facts and you get to cover everything. I understand how stressful this decision must be for you and wish you luck and some good advice here.

cmm · 24/05/2011 14:07

I had spd with first too, on crutches and near the end could hardly move but did have a good delivery which I didn't expect! Laboured on all fours but then had to deliver laid on my back. Had asked for water labour but they were concerned how quickly they could get me out of tub in emergency.,
Pregnant again now, 34 weeks now. Spd again but even worse! Trying Bowen technique with a midwife who does it privately. However have placenta previa this time!!!! They wanted to book me a section at 39 weeks but persuaded then to see if it would move! So if not, will be a section. Would rather have normal. Best wishes with your decision.

buttonmoon78 · 24/05/2011 14:28

How pg are you? I had monster spd last time and am suffering this time but not nearly to the same extent. I think this is due to the fact that I did everything 'right' from the very beginning so have managed to stave off the worst til about now (nearly 31wks) - a good 10-12wks after I was in agony last time. Last time ds was breech and I had ecv at 37wks which was horrendous. I did birth him naturally but he was back to back (didn't help at all!) so it was horrible.

This time, it's breech again and I'm thinking of refusing ecv. I know that ecv comes with a higher malpositioning/intervention/emcs risk - couple that with the fact ds was induced 2 wks early due to the spd. I had back problems from the time he was born which would have surfaced at some point but were exacerbated by the back to back labour in the opinion of my physio.

So, to come to the point! I'm almost hoping this time that I get a section. It would be a shame in some ways - 3 vaginal deliveries followed by a section but that's not really top of my priorities right now!

8rubberduckies · 24/05/2011 17:58

Thanks for all of your comments and suggestions - cmm I have heard that delivering on all fours is a good position if you have SPD, is this why you tried it?

I am 36 weeks tomorrow. I had a check-up today and it seems baby is transverse Confused at the moment - have been booked a full scan next Tuesday. If she is still transverse, or gone back to breech, I will be booked in for a cs no questions asked, so the decision will be kind of made for me... Also, buttonmoon, I have already decided I don't want an ECV.

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buttonmoon78 · 24/05/2011 19:25

In some ways I wish I had refused it last time. I had morphine for the first and last time in my life and it was excruciating. All the drs and mws were trying to talk me out of it but I was dead set on a natural delivery so made them do it.

Logically it was going to be hell - after all, I'd been in so much pain that I hadn't been examined for over 2 months so why on earth I thought having him turned would be a good idea I don't know! Confused

However, there is another part of me that knows that I tend to get back on my feet pretty quick after a natural delivery and a section is an unknown with 3 other kids to care for. I really don't know what to do for the best. I've already been told that I'll be induced at 38wks no questions as I'm likely to be as bad by then even if it's not been for as long.

Decisions decisions...

PorkChopSter · 24/05/2011 19:37

I had SPD with my last 3 pregnancies (still have it, infact, the ailment that keeps on giving Hmm) Anyway:
DC2: SPD from 30+ weeks. Home birth, kneeling, no pain relief. Stood up for a bit, but much more comfortable kneeling with knees fixed at shoulder width apart and elbows on a low bed. I could not, would not get on the bed and do a stranded beetle.

DC3: On crutches by 23 weeks. Home water birth in just under 4 hours, no pain relief (or stitches) despite baby coming out with hand by head. The water was a relief, because I could shift around during labour without needing 50 billion pillows or a hoist, although I ended up in pretty much the same kneeling position.

DC4: Wheelchair & crutches, although not quite as bad as DC3 because I did nothing My expectations of pg were very low and although I was looking after 3 kids under 5.5, I took every shortcut and got as much help as possible. First 4 hours of labour were very progressive, again at home in the pool. Then it all went a bit pear shaped: I was pushing in a kneeling position (again Wink) and there was a thunk and OMG it hurt I was convinced my hips were going to dislocate, I was screaming. With hindsight, what had happened was DC4 had descended with his head on one side as my pelvis was so loose and was then forcing my pelvis apart as he came down s l o w l y.

At this point, I was so very very glad I was at home with an IM. She had asked a colleague to attend, who was very keen that I do lunges, go up the stairs sideways: do all sorts of things to "open up" which was the last thing I needed/wanted or could do. Because I was in my own home and my midwife was backing me, it was very easy to say no. It took me almost an hour to move from kneeling to standing, another hour or so to get onto the sofa: I cannot express to you how much it hurt Grin Then I finally gave birth in left lateral after another 90 minutes with the IM eventually "chinning" DC4 out i.e. her thumb under his chin, the 'original forceps' I think she said. I should point out that at no point was DC4 in any distress, his heartbeat was consistently fine.

If I'd been in hospital I think I would have ended up with a CS for failure to progress. If I'd had a less experienced MW, or a MW who had not supported me through two pregnancies and seen my limitations, I probably would have ended up with an even longer recovery as I would have been "encouraged" to bugger my pelvis up even more to try and speed things along. I'm glad I didn't have a CS, partly because of the other DC but mostly because I know what a difference having good stomach muscles makes to my SPD and cutting through them and having to recover from that, would take me even longer to get back to normal.

Apologies for the long post. I guess it demonstrates that SPD can make for a quick and easy labour like my DC2 & 3, or a hellish one like my DC4. I hope it works out for you.

8rubberduckies · 24/05/2011 21:12

Buttonmoon it is a difficult decision when you have no idea how you are going to recover from a CS I agree, and you have cemented my decision about ECVs; I've heard so many bad things about them! After my experience of induction last time though I think I would rather have a CS than be induced again.

Porkchopster your first 2 birth stories with SPD gave me hope if baby turns for a natural labour, but my gosh am I wincing after reading about your birth with DC4 Grin!! You were obviously very strong and stuck to your guns, thanks for sharing your experiences.

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buttonmoon78 · 24/05/2011 21:18

I know

I'm so uncomfortable at the moment too as dc is breech with it's shoulder stuck under my ribs. And he's leaning against my right hip all the time so that's sore too. The thought of another 7+wks of this is driving me crazy!

I really don't know what to do for the best. After all, all this may be in vain anyway if it turns to head down.

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