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Midwife just does not get it (long birth story, sorry)

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Trinaluce · 24/01/2011 16:32

I tried to keep this brief, but not possible, so please bear with me!

Contractions with dd started at 6am on the Saturday, went in Saturday evening when they were 4 minutes apart, got sent home again. Went back in on Sunday morning, got sent home. Went back in around 11pm on the Sunday begging for some pain relief as the TENS unit pads wouldn't stick (so I just kept getting electrocuted, great fun). By 2pm on the Monday my waters still hadn't broken and I think I was still only 6cm. They broke my waters for me then refused to let me even attempt a water birth as they thought (they weren't sure though) there was SLIGHT staining, so 'the baby must be in distress'. Cue being hooked up to the monitors (her heart rate did not change from that point until she was born. Distress? What distress?!) By 7pm I STILL wasn't even close to 10cm so they gave me an epidural and hooked me up to a drip to induce me. At which point the shifts changed and the midwife (let's call her The Biatch) who came on barely spoke to me, except to call me 'Dear' (which I HATE Angry). At one point she even left me on my own (husband had been taken off to be fed, lucky bloody men), stuck in the bed because of the epidural obviously and unable to reach the call button!
From here on I'm a little hazy, but I know it was late into the night when Biatch asked 'Ok, you want to start pushing?' 'Am I finally at 10cm then?' said I. 'What? Oh, er, yeah' was her not-entirely-convincing response. So, pushing began, probably - I had no idea as she gave no coaching or help despite the fact I couldn't feel what I was doing. At one point dh actually yelled at her 'Do you want to actually communicate with my wife and tell her if she's doing anything right?!' By half three ish (Tuesday morning now) though it was finally decided that I wasn't getting anywhere (no shit Sherlock!) so they'd prep me for surgery, the consultant would have a look and use forceps or go for emcs if necessary. Sadly, dd had apparently got stuck and it was emcs or nothing. By this point I was exhausted, had eaten nothing in about 36 hours and had had maybe two hours sleep. DD was (thankfully) fine, but it took me a long time to be able to come to terms with what is, in my head at least, a 70 hour labour. A midwife will not recognise it as such because I never really got into active labour until the Monday afternoon. I had no pain relief at all until the early hours of Monday morning thanks to the completely useless TENS unit, despite having had fairly strong and regular contractions from the word go.

The problem I now have is being pregnant with Child The Second and having to have an idea what to do. Given my family history (mother and grandmother both had to have sections, grandmother definitely had the 'wrong-shaped' pelvis, mum has never been given an official diagnosis), I accept on some level that a section is very likely to be necessary, but at the same time I can't get over the grief the section caused and the feeling of failure as a woman. I tried to explain this to my new midwife and got the stock response of 'Well you and the baby came out healthily so it doesn't matter how it happened'. Well I'M FUCKING SORRY MRS, but it matters TO ME. I cannot tell you how many times I've heard this reply and how fucking sick of it I am. I'm not fine. I still have flashbacks. I'm crying typing this and it was two and a half years ago.

I also can't talk to anyone I know about this as no-one I know has experienced anything approaching this length of labour - even my mother's was an 'easy' 36 hours, and her waters broke of their own accord. My BIL had the gall to say to my face that I had an easy time of it - his wife popped out her first in 3 hours and her second before they'd even had time to fill the birthing pool.

The oddest sensations of all of this though is firstly the guilt that my husband may never get to cut the cord (again, not helped by BIL saying how wonderful it was and how much he'd missed out) and secondly the guilt that my daughter may one day have to go through this.

I probably had a point here somewhere. - hunts down the back of the sofa- Ah, there it is. My question to all those who've managed to read this far is: given these circumstances, would you even attempt a VBAC or would you go for an elcs and save the hassle (and retain some level of control)? Also, how do you make people understand that it IS a big deal and that I certainly did not take the 'easy way out'?

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Trinaluce · 26/01/2011 11:30

Ah, now don't get me wrong: I'm sick of the 'you're both fine', but I heartily agree with 'other women have it worse'. I am VERY grateful that I am not in the 'torn' brigade, 'baby spent time in SCBU/NICU/NNU' brigade, 'wound got infected' (my mum) brigade, 'anaesthetist nicked the dura' brigade, 'SO traumatised I will never have another child' brigade or the rest!

But if ONE MORE nurse/midwife/doctor/misguided moron on the street tells me that 'if this was 100 years ago you'd have been dead' I WILL hurt them, and I'll blame the hormones. And get off scot-free as my lawyer will be played by Richard Gere.

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crapbarry · 26/01/2011 11:39

Oh, I totally agree other women have it worse, I just got sick of hearing it. It doesn't negate my experience IMO. I tore quite badly, but not badly enough for decent pain releif (they said grade 3 and 4 tears got proper pain killers, laxatives, and attention from a specialist nurse - I only had grade 2, and an episiotomy, so was only allowed paracetomol until I complained very loudly about it! and the infection was pretty grim afterwards too!), but am glad I didn't have to cope with major abdominal surgery, or anything which kept DS away from me - I cannot even imagine how traumatic it would be to have a baby in SCBU or NICU. But knowing some poor folk have worse experiences does not stop my flashbacks, and is therefore not a helpful comment!

Now, tell me more about having Richard Gere as your lawyer... [bgrin]

LadyInPink · 26/01/2011 12:00

'other woman have it worse' is sooo unhelpful. At that moment in time you have it worse and 'other women' don't exist in your world when you are going through something so traumatic. Same thing happened to me and i have never gone through it again (husband so traumatised he had the snip - with my permission i hasten to add). My labour was written as 'normal' and 8 hours too as i had a back to back and was contracting every 30 sec's but with no dialation so those hours don't count in their book (THEY BLOODY DO AAARRRGGG). I only ever got to one finger-nail dialated after 3 days of agony and they finally took pity on me and gave me an epidural and induced me to further speed things up. I am 5' 2" and 50kg and have tiny feet and so i don't think i had a very wide pelvis (years ago they would ask what size feet you had and if below 4 you would have trouble naturally - something to do with the size of your feet equals size of pelvis so your feet balance your pelvis ergo large feet = bigger pelvis etc) I am a size 3!

In short i would never entertain having a natural birth again but am terrified to become pg in case they refuse me hence we are sticking with our one angel. This all happened nearly 7 years ago and i have never forgotten it.

OP - you have to do what you feel is right for you and no-one can say you haven't tried, your first birth proved that totally but if you want to try for a vbac I commend you but NEVER feel a failure for having a c/s and your BIL would have demanded a c/s had it been him going through what you had gone through after probably 1 hour Grin

Trinaluce · 26/01/2011 12:01

No, I agree, knowing people had it worse doesn't stop me feeling crap - but I HAVE to look for a bright side to all this otherwise I WILL go stark staring bonkers.

Speaking of which, Richard Gere:

See, in my head, some useless moron who had their baby in 3 minutes in a blissful waterbirth scene with a choir singing 'Ave Maria' in the background and who came out of without a hair out of place and all her mascara still on her eyelashes comes up to me and says 'Oh you had a section, that must have been easy. A friend of mine took 12 minutes and she had a 1mm tear so she had it MUCH worse.' I beat her to a bloody pulp with my daughter's Timmy Time DVD (hopefully breaking the damn thing in the process, watched it on a loop yesterday) in front of a gazillion witness. Richard Gere turns up in a sharp suit and his tap shoes, throws over Renee Zellwegger, does a snazzy dance routine and the all-female-all-had-sections jury votes unanimously that not only do I get off, but the woman I beat up has to watch Timmy Time on an endless loop for the rest of time.

I think too much.

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LadyInPink · 26/01/2011 12:04

Grin love that scenario Trinaluce!

Trinaluce · 26/01/2011 12:17

Think I could sell the movie rights? HEY, then I could afford an independant midwife!

I love it when a plan comes togther [bgrin]

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crapbarry · 26/01/2011 12:25

[bgrin]

now, if I replace Richard Gere with George Clooney, and the Timmy Time DVD with DS's bastard toy dog which keeps yapping at me, that sounds like a nice fantasy for me to have :o

I would so dearly love to see a TV production of this idea though [bgrin]

Trinaluce · 26/01/2011 12:38

Oh if it's going to be on telly, lawyer has to be David Tennant! Grin

And Timmy Time DVD can also be replaced by Chuggington DVD, stupid singing snail that MIL bought (that I swear will one day be 'accidentally' left behind at their house) or fridge phonics toy I foolishly bought for Christmas...

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ohmeohmy · 26/01/2011 13:54

Haven't read all of thread but really think you can have a positive experience second time round regardless of what went before. Every labour is different. A hypnotherapist with interest in birthing can help process the past and reduce the fear. It is the fear of what might happen that can lead to you feeling stressed and slowing down the birth leading to a bit of a viscious circle IYSWM.

Something like HypnoBirthing would also help you I think. But even if you choose a section there are hospitals that attempt to make it a better experience for parents and baby- [[http://www.pregnancy-info.net/friendly-cesareans.html]. encourage your dh to be a very voal advocate for you aswell.

Trinaluce · 26/01/2011 14:12

TBH I'm not actually scared of 'The Birth'. I'm not scared of having another section, I'm not scared of having a natural birth. What scares me is how I'll cope with the aftermath of 'failing' a second time. And bollocks to the woman who said there's no such thing as failure in childbirth on OBEM this week.

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ohmeohmy · 26/01/2011 14:46

WHy do you think you'll fail? Sounds like what has happened to other women in your family and you last time have created a belief that you will. You can make things different this time.

Trinaluce · 26/01/2011 15:00

My grandmother had a flat-backed pelvis so a baby could never engage and get down into it. If it could, it could have got out, but as it was could never have got in in the first place.

In my mother's case (although she's never had an official diagnosis of CPD) I believe it was that the 'outlet' was the wrong shape - so baby could get IN but not out again!

In my case, I've had no definite explanation other than that at DD's birth she got 'stuck on the pelvis' (I'm a little hazy on the exact wording, I'd been up for a long time with no food and was high as a kite on entonox). This in my head all adds up to 'my family obviously has crap pelvises' (pelvi? pelves? pelveseseses?) that aren't fit for the purpose that god/buddha/the flying spaghetti monster/whoever designed them for. In which case I can't just 'make it different' as the cause of the problem hasn't changed.

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