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Having a baby in the USA

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Rhinestone · 04/10/2010 17:35

Hello,

Relative newbie here although I have posted on a few threads but generally lurk. Wink

DH and I are living in the US at the moment and are planning to start TTC soon. Does anyone have any experience of pregnancy / childbirth in the US and how it differs from the UK? What's better / worse etc?

I have heard that you're more likely to have a C-section here - not sure how I feel about that as frankly both option terrify me at the moment!

Thanks.

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bumbums · 04/10/2010 20:22

Not got first hand experience but I think that you will have the choice of hospital care with a doctor or midwife care at a birthing centre.
I would have thought that if you can find somewhere that goes in for midwife care you might feel more impowered about you're choices.
Good luck ttc.

CarmenSanDiego · 04/10/2010 20:43

I'm a British doula and childbirth educator in California. Maternity care is very different here.

The hospitals tend towards managed care and getting a natural birth is almost impossible in US hospitals because obstetricians practise very defensively. The cesarean rate is very high. Most hospitals have epidural as standard and almost everyone gets Pitocin to augment their labour.

Additionally, doctors insist on delivering babies themselves unless you manage to find a midwife led unit. I watched a client being forced to numb her urge to push with an epidural because a doctor wasn't available when she needed to push. This ended up in a nasty vacuum delivery and episiotomy.

It depends on your feelings about birth what you want to go for.

Personally, having a natural delivery and avoiding another C-Section was important to me so I opted for a home birth with a midwife and I truly believe this is the safest option for anyone having a normal delivery in the US and the most feasible way to avoid a caesarean. My home birth was excellent - a birth pool was provided and my midwives were dedicated and professional.

However if you want pain relief, then the hospital is the way to go. Gas and air isn't an option anywhere in the US (except for a couple of very specialist doctors who are trying it).

There are birth centres too. I don't entirely see the point of them though as they don't really have any more equipment than midwives carry.

It depends which state you're in as to what sort of midwifery care is available. In some states it's actually illegal. In California it's well regulated and midwives carry full resuscitation equipment and are well trained.

Don't hesitate to drop me a message if you are in California or if I can help any more.

CarmenSanDiego · 04/10/2010 20:46

Also, do watch The Business of Being Born. It covers the US maternity issues very well.

Bue · 04/10/2010 21:02

Rhinestone, if you know you want a hospital birth you might also look into the option of a Certified Nurse Midwife (CNM) - they are midwives who deliver in hospitals, but the experience will be more like the midwifery-led care you'd receive here rather than a US-style OB birth. My cousin had two natural births with a midwife in a hospital in NYC.

expatinscotland · 04/10/2010 21:04

I'd consider coming back to the UK to deliver, tbh.

GinaTonic · 04/10/2010 21:06

I think midwives are only legal in a few states. You may be able to get around this by hiring a private one and calling her your doula.

They routinely vaccinate against hepB on day one and circumcise boys over there so we added these to the card on the cot that said "no pacifier, no bottle, no formula" and still had to watch like a hawk as a couple of times a day, one of the nursery nurses would push him towards the door saying, "I'll just take him for his circumcision then...", and felt sick when a junior nursery nurse had ticked the box as hepB given, the only reassurance that he hadn't was that there was no plaster where the site would have been. Both of which I found pretty shocking in such a litigious society.

Will think of more & be back later.

CarmenSanDiego · 04/10/2010 21:19

Here's MANA's guide to which states allow direct-entry (independent) midwives.

Good call on looking for a midwife-led unit. I know people who delivered with nurse-midwives in hospital in Ohio and I think in Chicago.

But they're rare and they tend to only take absolute textbook pregnancies. No VBACs.

Needaname · 04/10/2010 21:22

From watching US birthing programmes on discovery it seems to end in a c-section more often that not. This is usually because the woman is not progessing according to very rigid timescales. The women always give birth on their back and are told exactly when to push and for how long - ot doesn't necessarily seem to tie with a contraction either. Maybe that's how it's done here too at the pushing stage and I'm just lucky that my body just told me when to do it and the MW left me alone?
Oh and induction before 40 weeks seems to be pretty routine too if baby if predicted to be over about 8lb!

foreverastudent · 04/10/2010 21:33

fly home for the delivery

I'd rather give birth in a 3rd world country than the US!

CarmenSanDiego · 04/10/2010 21:57

My home birth was wonderful and I know some incredible midwives, some of whom have spent time at The Farm (Ina May's birth centre) and are very experienced. I'd really recommend an American home birth.

But some of the practices in US hospitals (compared to my two hospital births in the UK) have left me horrified. I knew in theory it was bad but seeing it for myself in a supposedly excellent hospital has made me vow to never even try for a vaginal delivery in hospital here - the odds are stacked so badly against you.

togarama · 04/10/2010 22:23

Check out the pregnancy and labour & delivery boards on Ovusoft.com. Most of the posters on there are US based, with a few Brits, Canadians and others.

I'm often fascinated by the US-based discussions on hospital protocol and ante-natal care which can vary greatly from the UK, and between individual US states.

I would recommend basing your research on stats, laws and regulations in your own state of residence (or neighbouring states if you live on the border and there's a great hospital / birth-centre / midwife just across state lines). Cross-US data is likely to make things seem better than they really are in some states and worse in others. It will be hard for anyone to give you useful pointers without knowing your state.

Rhinestone · 04/10/2010 23:13

Thanks for all the responses. Rather Shock at the HepB and circumcision - surely though they have to have your express permission to do anything like that?

Flying home for the delivery is just not practical as you can't fly after 7 months (is that right?) so that would be 2 months in UK without DH. But Forever and Expat, what makes it so bad? Genuine question as am a bit concerned now.

Carmen, sadly I'm the other side of the country - you sound fab though so maybe I'll drive out to the West Coast!!

Gina - possibly a silly question but why do you need to put a card on the cot? Or is the baby not left with you?

I'm in DC by the way.

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CarmenSanDiego · 05/10/2010 00:14

Rhinestone, thanks :)

You can specify things like Hep B, circumcision. I think there's a big lawsuit and protests in Florida happening at the moment because a baby was circumcised against parental instructions so hopefully hospitals are being a bit more careful (although I wouldn't trust them).

Another thing to watch out for is eyedrops. Pretty much all states do this (in NY, they're mandatory) but you should be able to opt out. They supposedly protect the baby in case you have STDs but if you know your STD status (and you should have been screened in pregnancy) it's worth considering opting out because they mess with the baby's eyesight and affect bonding in the first hour of the baby's life. These are not routinely given in the UK.

This is perhaps a bit too far ahead but if you decide you want an OB/GYN, make a great birth plan and get your OB to sign off anything out of the ordinary because the chances are he or she won't be the duty doctor delivering your baby.

foreverastudent · 05/10/2010 09:07

You can fly home, you just need a doctor's certificate. There is an increased risk of blood clots but just wear the socks and get up and walk about during the flight and it should be fine. Lots of women fly between different countries in late pregnancy to give birth.

I some states homebirth is illegal so check this.

There are exceptions but in general an American birth consists of you being an object which doctors (midwives dont manage births the way they do here) will manipulate as they please to 'remove' the baby from you.

Active birth isn't 'allowed'. You will be agressively monitored, the slightest deviation from their idea of the 'perfect norm' will result in an automatic c-section (which legally can be performed against your will).

All this results in a much higher mortality rate for you and your baby- which is why I wouldn't feel safe there.

japhrimel · 05/10/2010 18:54

Check what is available locally. I thought we might be living in Seattle before I got pregnant (now not moving for a while) and found the US Babycenter site great as I could check the Seattle/WA forum for info on local hospitals. They definitely have MW led units with more of an active/natural birth focus in WA, including options for waterbirth, so look for them locally. Just like our MLUs in the UK, some are stand-alone, some are attached to a hospital.

Obviously go into your insurance in-depth so you know what the situation would be if you needed to transfer to hospital.

Flying to the UK for birth is not practical at all IMO. You would want to be booked into a hospital or MLU and that means being back long enough to get into the antenatal system. Realistically (even taking the risks of not being able to fly, getting DVT or needing heparin injections to fly) IMO you'd be better off with a planned birth in a US centre than flying back and going to an NHS hospital A&E when labour starts! Shock

The UK system is all wonderful too, especially if you end up in a regular labour/consultant led ward when you don't need to be and have to deal with nosy wards, staff shortages, etc.

As in the UK, it's definitely best to get good into on everything that may happen or may be offered/suggested so you can work out where you stand on any options.

japhrimel · 05/10/2010 18:58

Ooops. Should read "The UK system isn't all wonderful too"

foreverastudent · 05/10/2010 19:40

NHS maternity hospitals can and will accept labouring women who just turn up.

When I was in the postnatal ward I met a woman who was on holiday from a different part of the UK (if it's good enough for SamCam...).

mathanxiety · 05/10/2010 19:47

I had 5 babies in the US, last one in 2001 under the care of a midwife, in a hospital, and the first four under the care of a doctors' practice, again in a hospital.

From Wikipedia -- 'In 27 states it is legal to hire a direct-entry midwife, or certified professional midwife (CPM) {for a home birth} It is legal in all 50 states to hire a certified nurse midwife, or CNM, who are trained nurses {for a home birth} though this practice is rare as most CNMs work in hospitals. Some CPMs continue to attend mothers in the 23 states where it is illegal, and can be arrested and prosecuted, while efforts are underway to change the law.

Practicing as a direct-entry midwife is still (as of May 2006) illegal under certain circumstances in Washington, D.C. and the following states: Alabama, Georgia, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky, Maryland, North Carolina, South Dakota and Wyoming. However, Certified Nurse Midwives can legally practice in these areas.

No state prosecutes mothers for giving birth outside of a hospital.'

Since I don't have experience of delivering in the UK I don't know if what I have to say will be useful, but as in the UK you can have positive and negative experiences. From my own observation, what makes or breaks the birth experience is the professionalism of the nurses, their attitude towards breastfeeding and the physical challenges you face in the immediate post natal period. Some of them are bitches with a real hatred of women and a profound disrespect for the 'spiritual' aspect of what they deal with, for want of a better word. And some are utterly lovely. But dealing with one of the former can leave you shaken.

As with Ireland (where I have a sister, and we compare notes) I would advise you to aim for a baby to be born outside of the peak spring and summer months. Nurses tend to have far less to do when the post-natal beds are not full. C-section pain relief tends to be administered on a more compassionate basis than I think they do it in Ireland. Breastfeeding help is spotty at best -- again, you're better off if the maternity wing isn't chock a block.

Hospitals make a great show of having 'natural birth suites' or 'birthing centers' and will tell you if you go on a tour beforehand about all the bells and whistles they have to accommodate whatever your heart desires in the way of a natural delivery in comfy circumstances; birthing balls, tubs, relaxing showers, family rooms -- they are all angling for your business though and that bears remembering far more in the US than in the UK. The reality is that in a maternity unit that delivers 40 babies a day at a peak period (May perhaps) there will only be one mother at a time in the birthing suite with the lovely birthing ball and the tub, etc. If you arrive in labour and the suites are full you go into a room and lie on a bed, usually with fetal monitors strapped around you, and machines blipping and flashing.

You can choose whether to have an epidural or not. I had one for DD1, then didn't get one for DS as the anesthesiologist was the only one on duty -- horrible case of overbooking C-sections plus an unusual number of walk-ins during the month of May and he simply didn't make it to me in time. I didn't bother with the next three after that. Gas and air are unknown and unused.

They will set you up for an IV (I recommend arm or wrist instead of back of hand) when you are admitted, whether they actually start you up on a saline drip immediately or not; a saline drip is standard in the hospital where I had the first four. They then use the already inserted needle for pitocin, anti-nausea medication, or a blood transfusion if necessary at any point (rare). Delivery is nearly always on your back, or half-sitting, or lying on your side (midwives are usually much more likely to suggest different positions ime)

One thing that differs widely from doctor to doctor is the amount of time you will be 'allowed' to go overdue; mine was a strict 'one week and you're finished' man; there are lots of inductions as far as I can gather anecdotally, and these tend to result in c-sections for failure to progress. I managed to make them stop pressuring me to consent to induction after going along with it for DS. Although birth is more medically managed, doctors can't abduct you and force you into the hospital; after you get to the hospital however, read the waivers you will be asked to sign in the reception area very carefully, or get a copy of what to expect on the net. It's not a great time to try reading and making sense of legal mumbo jumbo but you may be signing away quite a lot.

My last birth was after a pregnancy during which I had GD and anemia; induction right on the dot of 40 weeks was the protocol she followed, so medically speaking not at all different from what a doctor might have done. She tried a cervix softening gel first, as had happened with DC4 under the care of the doctor (it worked that time with no need for the pitocin), and when that had no effect, she had to do the pitocin within a certain period of time, and things progressed from there.

Some hospitals insist on taking the newborn away to the neonatal nursery for a few hours 'observation' after mother and baby have recovered in the post natal recovery area, and they do this no matter how distressed you may be or how unnecessary it is from a medical pov. There is a charge for the baby's time in the newborn nursery, and my suspicion is that it can only be justified by reference to the hospital's bottom line. Usually, if you are lucky enough to give birth in a free standing birthing center or in the birthing suite of a hospital, they leave the baby with you and there is no 'observation' necessary. Circumcision in my experience with DS is done only with express permission and the signing of a consent form, but there have been horror stories as noted. It's still a popular procedure in the US. Eyedrops and a battery of newborn blood tests are required by law in a number of states.

You will have to start by finding out what hospitals and doctors are in your insurance plan, and then ask and ask and ask to sort out what hospital or center you think suits your needs. Insurance generally does not cover the cost of assisted home birth afaik.

LinzerTorte · 05/10/2010 20:13

I had DD1 in the USA (PA) and my only complaint would be how much we had to pay towards all the medical costs during pregnancy and the birth (although I think our insurance company was particularly stingy).

The medical care itself was excellent, however. I registered at a practice where there were five doctors and two midwives, and you could choose to see either the doctors or midwives during your pregnancy (whichever doctor or midwife was on duty when you were admitted to hospital would then attend the birth). The midwife I had for the birth was great (and very understanding of the fact that I'd had to phone her on Christmas Day!), full of suggestions on how to manage the pain (bath, different positions, breathing, etc.) - pain relief never came up, although I'm sure I could have had some if I'd asked for it.

I don't have any experience of giving birth in the UK, but some of the differences I noticed between giving birth here in Austria and the USA are:

  1. In the US, I had a private room with en suite facilities (all the rooms in the hospital were private). The wards in Austria had between 3 and 5 beds (although they weren't always full), so I got much less sleep as inevitably at least one baby would be awake at any time during the night.
  1. In the hospital in PA, it was expected that you would want to hand your baby over to the nurses during the night so that you could get some sleep (DD1 was brought to me for feeds every few hours). In Austria, it's expected that you keep your baby with you.
  1. If I'd had a Caesarean in the USA, my insurance company would only have paid for me to stay in hospital for 48 hours after the birth. I realise it's not always that much longer in the UK, but I was in hospital in Austria for 8 days after DS was born by C section. I could barely walk after 48 hours!
  1. I felt quite isolated after the birth - we were miles away from family and friends and there were no home visits from midwives or health visitors, just a check-up at the paediatrician's after about a week IIRC. There was a wonderful lactation consultant in the town, however, without whom I'd probably have given up on bfing - I took one of her classes before the birth, which was also invaluable.

On the whole, giving birth in the USA was a very positive experience (the antenatal classes I went to were also a great way to meet new people, as we'd only just moved over there). I'm sure the fact that I saw midwives rather than doctors throughout the pregnancy and birth made a huge difference, but I know it's not an option everywhere.

mathanxiety · 05/10/2010 20:22

Your point Number 4 is a really important one LinzerTorte: there are no HVs. There is LaLeche League, but nobody comes to see how you're doing, and PND flies under the radar a lot. The earliest time you will see a doctor is for your own 6-week checkup (2 weeks if c-section) and the baby's 2-week checkup, then 2 month checkup, when you will drag yourself out to see the relevant OB/GYN or midwife, or the baby's pediatrician (babies and children usually see a pediatrician in the US, not a GP 'Family doctor').

CarmenSanDiego · 05/10/2010 21:10

If you can afford it, a postpartum doula is an option. I think this is very useful in the US where you don't get a HV.

japhrimel · 05/10/2010 22:18

And yes, NHS maternity hospitals can take people who just show up, but you will not get a choice of MLUs vs consultant led wards in most areas as most MLUs only take women booked in there who they know are low-risk. So if you want to avoid a consultant led, hospital ward labour and birth, just turning up in the UK is not the way to ensure that.

Rhinestone · 08/10/2010 15:51

Thanks very much for all the advice. Am very concerned by circumcision horror stories and compulsory eye drops. With research the status quo here but really appreciate all the info.

Carmen, if you move east please let me know!

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