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3.5 year old - very distressed and catatonic after contact with his father

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user1494169099 · 07/05/2017 19:34

Hello everyone,

Looking for some words of wisdom here. I have a 3.5 year old boy and a 2 year old girl, their father left when DD was 2 months.

I will try to set briefly the backstory first - the father is a textbook drama king, thriving under extreme emotional swings. Formally he has contact on one weeknight and overnight Friday to Saturday. He sees the children at most once every two weeks now, after not showing up at all for almost 6 months. Every time, with no exceptions to date, there is some unexplainable and dramatic action from his side during/preceding contact - the last one, for example, was shaving off our daughter's hair (chin length before). The one before that was lying about his mum, the children's grandma, dying in agony (she is very much alive). If I listed everything that has happened and submitted it as a soap drama script, it would probably be rejected as too unrealistic and bizarre.

I am very worried now about the impact this chaotic contact, and, if I am honest - ex's personality and behaviour as well, has on DS. He has always been a very emotional, hyperactive and easily excitable boy, had a moderate speech delay (sorted out with speech therapy, now almost normal).

After he now comes back from the contact he flips into a hysterical meltdown, shaking, laughing and crying at the same time, then goes all rigid and stiff for a couple of minutes. First time it happened I even called an ambulance, thinking it was an epileptic fit. He also becomes incontinent for a day or so after the contact (fully potty trained for more than a year now), noticeably regresses in speech (reverts to baby talk), and has screaming fits in the middle of the night. Then, after about two days, he's back to his normal self. It has been observed not only by me, but also by friends, family and nursery personnel.

I happened to witness (on and off) the contact between the two yesterday, and this is probably the main reason I am writing now (never thought before I will discuss something like this on a public board). Ex was in a hurry so dropped in to spend an hour with the children in the living room. It was quite volatile - started as an ultra active physical play with a lot of laughter, running and noise, and then suddenly ex started yelling at DS for not behaving himself properly and being noisy. DS then wetted his pants, and was lectured for a couple of minutes for being filthy and stinky. I entered the room then and found ex holding DS in an armlock and tickling him, while DS was crying, wriggling and begging to stop - to which the father was replying consistently: "only when you say sorry for doing a wee-wee and being such a naughty baby". I asked ex to stop and leave immediately, which he did. Surely enough, very soon after he left, DS had this hysterical reaction again, unresponsive for almost two hours after (just went to sit in a corner after the fit, soiling himself, rocking backwards and forwards, and screaming if I attempted to enter the room, then went straight to bed by himself, woke up during the night with screams a couple of times and then woke up today generally back to normal).

I probably will be urgently seeking an opinion from a child psychologist (?) next week. I could not sleep last night at all after observing the interaction and the reaction that followed, and it scares the life out of me now. Am I overreacting? Underreacting?

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user1494169099 · 07/05/2017 21:21

I understand that many of the posters had an extreme emotional reaction (I probably would as well, reading something like that). It hurts, but probably helps.
My previous concerns with ex were roughly the same, regarding extreme emotional instability, inability to parent in a sensitive way, and compulsive lying about basically everything. I asked for the contact to be supervised and was refused, with the CAFCASS officer noting that I am highly hostile to the father, ignorant about the benefits of having a secure attachment to both parents, critical of his parenting style and ordering me to attend a separated parent course. I am concerned that if I now start refusing the contact, I will be deemed implacably hostile and then the residence order will be overturned. I am already under a pending enforcement hearing.
I will of course contact the social services (probably better if through the nursery).

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user1494169099 · 07/05/2017 21:24

Sorry, in the previous post I meant that it hurts and helps me, not the posters, just not formulating very clearly at the moment.

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randomuntrainedcuntowner · 07/05/2017 21:32

Your child is highly traumatised because they are being abused. Stop any unsupervised contact now, and remove your child as soon as yoyr exp behaves like this.

You need to protect your child from this now. Your child feels so unsafe they are dissociating and regressing - these are defence mechanisms in response to trauma.

Natsku · 07/05/2017 21:32

I think going via nursery may be the best option then if you're worried about the courts as an unbiased professional making the referral makes it seem more real to the officials.

Natsku · 07/05/2017 21:33

Also I understand if you are reluctant to stop contact in case the courts decide you are being unreasonable and order more contact, possibly even custody to your ex. Its a fine line to tread and you do have to be careful so getting professionals on your side is essential I think.

HopelesslydevotedtoGu · 07/05/2017 21:50

Do you have any CCTV of the contact at yours to show carcass/ social workers/ your GP?

CCTV of how your son acts after contact?

I would seek referrals and statements from different professionals to support your case.

Your carcass worker seems to have made her mind up already. Are there any options for having your case reassessed?

Your son is regressing to more babyish behaviour when he feels scared and insecure. If he wants you to baby him during these episodes please do, it will help him feel safe and secure in your care. There is a useful Facebook group called Therapeutic Parenting which talks about using parenting techniques to meet the needs of traumatised kids, I would join.

I would worry that something more scary than what you are aware of has happened. Sorry. Can your son say anything about what he is upset by?

user1494169099 · 07/05/2017 21:52

NotMyPenguin
Thank you for this comment. Bodily autonomy is not a perspective I even thought about, but you are absolutely right. If someone huge grabbed me and made me perform in exchange for freedom, that would totally set me off. And my son usually avoids close contact / touching in general.
I must probably look like a complete idiot now.

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cestlavielife · 07/05/2017 21:57

The nursery safeguarding person is the way to go.
You need someone neutral who has observed things.
What does your solicitor suggest ?

user1494169099 · 07/05/2017 22:20

HopelesslydevotedtoGu
Yes, the ground floor is all CCTV-ed (originally for unrelated reasons). It writes video, but not sound. Should have both recent contact and post-contact behaviour taped - there should be two or three episodes in the memory.
I will probably start tomorrow by speaking to the solicitor who is handling my case, then nursery, then will try to arrange a meeting with a therapist at the practice where ds has his speech therapy. Then will try to prompt gently him about his behaviour (I don't think there will be any success here, to be honest).
I do oscillate now between imagining awful stuff and then trying to write it all off as overreaction, then hating myself for it and getting back to the awful stuff. Thus the reason for opening the thread, I had to get some fresh kicks.
I found the facebook group you have mentioned, will send a request now.

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user1494169099 · 07/05/2017 23:10

cestlavielife
I did not speak to her yet, I try to ration legal expenses at the moment. Will do tomorrow.
She has advised previously against further litigation, unless there was a 100% cast iron proof of serious welfare issues.

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cestlavielife · 08/05/2017 08:26

Escalate it at nursery
See if they will back you up
Review the cctv does it look like friendly play or not ?

Couldashouldawoulda · 08/05/2017 08:26

Great news that you have what you've seen on cctv - there's no arguing with that. Can you get hold of the footage, in case it gets recorded over? I don't know if that still happens nowadays with cctv, but just in case.

cestlavielife · 08/05/2017 08:28

Yes child psychologist ..if you have video then take that

rightwhine · 08/05/2017 08:49

It's a difficult line to tread between doing the immediate right thing for your DC and navigating the legal system. It sounds as if you've been knocked back so far despite what sounds a horrendous battle. Concentrate on nursery referrals now and that cctv footage otherwise they will see it as you being hostile again. I'm surprised you haven't already looked at that to see exactly what was captured.

Good luck.

biginjapan · 08/05/2017 08:56

You sound like a wonderful mum trapped in a horrendous position. I'm sure that your interventions will help to mitigate the trauma to your DS. I wish you well.

SunshineHQ · 09/07/2017 01:07

We are in quite a similar situation to you, although my children are older. 8 and 10.

I stopped contact due to serious concerns back in March, and took our Child Arrangements Order back to Court for a variation. There was a short 3 month investigation, where none of the professionals involved were prepared to support the concerns (although I am sure they believe me, there is not enough 'evidence').

We are now back with extensive overnight contact again, but now with a Penal Notice against me attached to the Order.

Both children are under Child Protection Plans, for Emotional Abuse, but that has not made any difference.

It is really difficult, and I have also been accused of being too hostile, alienating the children against their dad, etc.

I really feel sorry for you in this difficult situation.

SunshineHQ · 13/08/2017 17:38

How are things going? Any developments?

Fatarseflanagan09 · 13/08/2017 17:48

Shaving someone's head without consent is assault, to be honest I wouldn't be comfortable about him having contact.

Carouselfish · 24/08/2017 10:20

Can you, I don't know about the legal position in this, buy a recording device (in the shape of a pen etc, disguised, really easy to buy online) and place it on your son without his knowledge before contact. Even sew it into his coat or something. Just thinking of the case in Ireland recently where a child was being treated badly by a teacher and the mum recorded it in a similar way.

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