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3.5 year old - very distressed and catatonic after contact with his father

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user1494169099 · 07/05/2017 19:34

Hello everyone,

Looking for some words of wisdom here. I have a 3.5 year old boy and a 2 year old girl, their father left when DD was 2 months.

I will try to set briefly the backstory first - the father is a textbook drama king, thriving under extreme emotional swings. Formally he has contact on one weeknight and overnight Friday to Saturday. He sees the children at most once every two weeks now, after not showing up at all for almost 6 months. Every time, with no exceptions to date, there is some unexplainable and dramatic action from his side during/preceding contact - the last one, for example, was shaving off our daughter's hair (chin length before). The one before that was lying about his mum, the children's grandma, dying in agony (she is very much alive). If I listed everything that has happened and submitted it as a soap drama script, it would probably be rejected as too unrealistic and bizarre.

I am very worried now about the impact this chaotic contact, and, if I am honest - ex's personality and behaviour as well, has on DS. He has always been a very emotional, hyperactive and easily excitable boy, had a moderate speech delay (sorted out with speech therapy, now almost normal).

After he now comes back from the contact he flips into a hysterical meltdown, shaking, laughing and crying at the same time, then goes all rigid and stiff for a couple of minutes. First time it happened I even called an ambulance, thinking it was an epileptic fit. He also becomes incontinent for a day or so after the contact (fully potty trained for more than a year now), noticeably regresses in speech (reverts to baby talk), and has screaming fits in the middle of the night. Then, after about two days, he's back to his normal self. It has been observed not only by me, but also by friends, family and nursery personnel.

I happened to witness (on and off) the contact between the two yesterday, and this is probably the main reason I am writing now (never thought before I will discuss something like this on a public board). Ex was in a hurry so dropped in to spend an hour with the children in the living room. It was quite volatile - started as an ultra active physical play with a lot of laughter, running and noise, and then suddenly ex started yelling at DS for not behaving himself properly and being noisy. DS then wetted his pants, and was lectured for a couple of minutes for being filthy and stinky. I entered the room then and found ex holding DS in an armlock and tickling him, while DS was crying, wriggling and begging to stop - to which the father was replying consistently: "only when you say sorry for doing a wee-wee and being such a naughty baby". I asked ex to stop and leave immediately, which he did. Surely enough, very soon after he left, DS had this hysterical reaction again, unresponsive for almost two hours after (just went to sit in a corner after the fit, soiling himself, rocking backwards and forwards, and screaming if I attempted to enter the room, then went straight to bed by himself, woke up during the night with screams a couple of times and then woke up today generally back to normal).

I probably will be urgently seeking an opinion from a child psychologist (?) next week. I could not sleep last night at all after observing the interaction and the reaction that followed, and it scares the life out of me now. Am I overreacting? Underreacting?

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yourcarisnotadiscovery · 07/05/2017 20:16

And do not break contact without backup - build your case

HopelesslydevotedtoGu · 07/05/2017 20:17

OP you said he often doesn't turn up for contact, do you have records of this that you can show the Court? Is there anything you can do to dissuade him from turning up in future (without being blamed as obstructive yourself)?

user1494169099 · 07/05/2017 20:17

Apologies, I am too slow with reading every reply, but am very grateful for every comment! It helps that I even put it all on paper (well screen), to be honest.

The things that I did not witness kept me awake now since yesterday's morning, given that I observed similar reactions for three months now.

He gave two reasons for shaving off her hair - 1) they were going to visit a farm and he did not want her to pick up fleas from animals 2) she could attract attention of child sex abusers with her golden locks. If that is not mad, I don't know what is.

Thankfully, she herself was more amused about this rather than stressed. But then, she is 2.

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Oswin · 07/05/2017 20:21

Have you got what he said about her hair in writing something like email or text.

MrsELM21 · 07/05/2017 20:21

My god, that's one of the saddest things I've read on here, you absolutely must take action immediately, he sounds completely unhinged and a danger to your children

Please contact social services first thing in the morning, this absolutely cannot continue

Justmadeperfectflapjacks · 07/05/2017 20:22

Personally I would assume he needs sectioning ASAP. .

user1494169099 · 07/05/2017 20:23

Oswin, yes, in an email.

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P1nkP0ppy · 07/05/2017 20:24

I can barely believe your lack of reaction op.
I would have refused access immediately not continued to allow him to abuse your poor little boy.
Don't you understand just how traumatised your son is ffs?
I'm speechless and utterly appalled.
So, so sad.

Kittykatclaws · 07/05/2017 20:27

Oh my I'm appalled at what I'm reading .. what he said about child abusers seems. Huge red flag to me!

Please contact your health visitor and discuss your options asap!

AnyFucker · 07/05/2017 20:27

Seriously ?

P1nkP0ppy · 07/05/2017 20:30

If it's true then the op needs to buck her bloody ideas up pdq before the damage to this child becomes irreversible.

Couldashouldawoulda · 07/05/2017 20:32

This is not right at all. Please do everything you can to ensure that your son doesn't see him unsupervised again. I'm sorry to ask the question, but have you ever had cause to wonder if your ex might be sexually abusive? Your son has obviously been very disturbed by whatever has been happening to him whilst he's with his father. His sounds like a reaction to extreme trauma. Sorry you're going through this.

Couldashouldawoulda · 07/05/2017 20:33

At 3.5 your son is probably quite articulate. Have you tried gently asking him what's been upsetting him, after he's calmed down?

user1494169099 · 07/05/2017 20:38

I don't, in all honesty, think there is any physical or sexual abuse going on (and I am the last person to invent excuses for my ex). Ex was very vocal about child sex abuse even before we started seeing each other, I understand that there was an incident in his wider family when he was a kid that was hushed down but everyone knew. He pretty much hates them, and even lapsed being a Catholic after the clergy child abuse scandal.

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NotMyPenguin · 07/05/2017 20:38

Ugh, I'd be terribly worried too. Can the nursery manager file a safeguarding report about what she's witnessed? I wouldn't want to allow unsupervised contact again I'm afraid.

NotMyPenguin · 07/05/2017 20:40

It may not be physical or sexual abuse, but it's definitely emotional and verbal abuse. Also holding and tickling an upset child against their will is definitely abusive as well as raising some very uncomfortable issues around bodily autonomy, feelings of safety, etc. He sounds erratic and mentally unstable.

user1494169099 · 07/05/2017 20:45

HopelesslydevotedtoGu
DS has some behavioral issues (to do mainly with hyperactivity and a short attention span), and a mild speech delay. Nursery staff noticed that he does not want to go home with dad, which is one of the things they monitor. She did not see any reactions I described, as they happen after the contact, and ex does not do drop-offs.

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picklemepopcorn · 07/05/2017 20:46

The things you have described are abuse. Physical abuse, holding him in an arm lock and tickling him against his will. Emotional abuse, the name calling and shouting, the lies, etc. And that is just what you saw on one occasion. I would report him to the police/SS for what you saw.

MrsJoyOdell · 07/05/2017 20:47

Fucking hell!! Not abuse? Your ex needs sectioning, reporting to the police and SS and fuck court. He wouldn't set foot in my house or even look at my child again after this.

user1494169099 · 07/05/2017 20:52

Couldashouldawoulda
I know it sounds extremely stupid, but I made the connection with the visitation fully only during the last week when discussing the issue with the nursery, and finally yesterday (as the contact is not that frequent itself). When this happened for the first time, I even called an ambulance as I was afraid it was some sort of a seizure (he relaxed back while I was still on the phone with them though).

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BitOutOfPractice · 07/05/2017 20:59

How very worrying and upsetting.

I agree that I would never let him near the children again. Whatever it took.

I'd also add that his particular interest in child abuse would also ring alarm bells with me

Couldashouldawoulda · 07/05/2017 21:04

Bit out - I agree.

WicksEnd · 07/05/2017 21:04

Put it this way, your OP made my heart pound so fuck knows how your ds must feel.
Your later post about your daughter having her head shaved aged two, nearly made me cry.
You are seriously under reacting. He must have been awful to live with and my heart goes out to you, for he has left you with a very skewed sense of what's normal.
Get help for all of you Flowers

DeleteOrDecay · 07/05/2017 21:10

Your ex sounds utterly derangedConfused

Stop contact immediately and get in touch with social services. He is a danger to your children. It sounds like you have a lot of evidence already to back up your case but make sure you keep a record of absolutely everything.

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