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Teenagers and prozac (or similar)

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MoodyBlueGreen · 29/08/2013 13:33

Hi, I wonder if anyone can help me with their experience/advise on this.

My 15 year old DD has been referred to CAHMS with anxiety, depression, self harm and suicidal thoughts. She is being assessed at the moment for treatment. She has also been seeing a councillor at school which has been a help.

The psychiatrist at CAHMS has said that it is likely that he will be putting DD on prozac or similar to 'lift her mood'. I was very alarmed by this as resorting to medication seems very extreme especially at such a young age. He reassured me that the dose will be small and will be monitored closely.

Have any of your DCs been on such medication? If so, how did they get on with them? Were you happy with the benefits that your DC's got from the medication?

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Minandmarm · 22/02/2014 13:05

Anyone know of support group/advice for parents of depressed teenagers? Think I'm in danger of getting depressed myself! It seems to be going on for so long.

MoodyBlueGreen · 02/03/2014 09:28

I have returned to this thread after several months as I feel that we are reaching another crisis point.

We hesitated about putting DD onto fluorextine last year for many reasons, not least as the timing was not good with her sitting real GCSE Maths and English in November and we felt that the initial side effects that we were warned of could affect her exams.

Although DD was still up and down, she seemed to be more stable, even better sometimes. She had her lows but at other times she was better. She was really focused on her studies - very diligent, very focused. Her friendships were going well. She has several close and supportive friends but also she was making new ones.

DD is regularly seeing her CAHMS dude every week and also a school counsellor weekly too.

She had a very good half term last week. Lots of hanging out with different friends but also some revision too. DH and I were just saying perhaps we were starting to get out of the woods when … I get a phone call last Tuesday from CAHMS saying that DD is in a 'bit of a pickle' as he had just had a call from the school counsellor saying that DD had a session with her where she had been very low and talked about harming herself and 'planning' suicide.

I had noticed that DD was a bit down the first day back at school but getting this call was a real shock. We have now been back at CAMHS for several crisis sessions and DD and I have decided finally to give medication a try - 10mg to start with review in fortnight's time.

We are on day two of what seems to me a daunting bedding in period. DD and I were given several quite dire warnings from the counsellor and a psychologist about feeling worse before feeling better with fluorextine. DD tells me that she is actively looking for bad symptoms…

I really hope it works. Does anyone know when DD can start feeling the benefit? Is it a kind of eureka moment or will she bit by bit feel better each day?

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MoodyBlueGreen · 02/03/2014 09:50

Beetlemania, so sorry to hear about your DD. She sounds quite similar to mine who is also 15 but in year 11. Given the much increased pressure that your DD will be under in year 11, I would advise that any treatment esp medication should be started asap. I wish I had done that with my DD as there seem to be exams/controlled assessments at every turn now.

My DD too has difficulty being in the larger school arena - she often talks about 'the others' by which she means the other students who are not in her immediate friendship group. I think she is fine on a one to one with them but is intimidated with them on mass.

We also are a stable family - mum, dad and little sister. I work from home so am able to be there for them after school and holidays. Having said that, cracks have started to form because of DD's illness. DD2 is increasingly demanding, jealous that we are being more attentive to DD1. Also DD1's relationship with her dad is quite poor at the moment. He is having trouble relating to DD1's frame of mind, he still tries to banter with her which she finds annoying! I think it also doesn't help that I deal with CAHMS and the school and perhaps he is not as tuned in - but he is too busy with work!

I have often wondered why she has had such a hard time of it and have come to the conclusion that it is how she is made. I think it is to do with resilience. Some people can bounce back like a rubber ball, no matter how many knocks they take (my own mother is like that) but others just can't. Being resilient can also be annoying - my mother can be a bit self-centred, she is resilient because she can only see things from her point of view!

Good luck, I hope you find the help your DD needs.

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MoodyBlueGreen · 02/03/2014 09:53

minandmarm yes, I feel that I need counselling myself! Fortunately we see someone as a couple to talk through parenting problems for an hour once a month. We have been doing this since last September and it seems to help.

I am not aware of any support groups - have you asked CAHMS? Please post if you do come across some one - I think we are all in need of it!

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IloveJudgeJudy · 02/03/2014 18:14

Hi, just wanted to mention about DD's (17) experience with Fluoxetine. She has recently said that she doesn't think it's done her any good at all. I was asked by her counsellor, but as I don't have any training, I really can't tell. Her counsellor really thinks she has changed a lot.

I will give you a brief history of DD's taking this drug. She started off taking it in liquid form, an extremely low dosage. This was upped by very slow degrees until she was (and is) taking 20mg per day. At one point, she was advised to take 20mg one day and 40mg the next so that it levelled out at 30mg per day, however, coincidentally she did try a large OD after about 4 days of the big medication. It may have been coincidental, or not. I'm not sure at all.

Our family background seems to be much the same as yours, apart from DD having experienced pretty bad bullying in junior school (that she didn't really tell us about) and this has affected pretty much her whole teenage life. She has just changed schools for 6th form, with a much nicer circle of friends, but it seems that the relaxation of her guard has meant that everything has come to a crisis...

I should also like to know about support groups. EIS (early intervention service) and CAMHS keep talking about family therapy, but that hasn't happened. I've just discovered, due to MN!, the MIND website. That seems pretty good. There's also the NHS webiste awareness for mental wellbeing. I haven't discovered any "family of sufferer" webistes, though.

I wish you and your DD the best of luck with everything.

MoodyBlueGreen · 02/03/2014 19:14

JudgeJudy, your poor DD and poor you too. It's hard isn't it?

The unpredictability of the illness - ok one day, crisis the next is hard to take. It makes me very tense and jittery. I am constantly making excuses to go into DD's room to check on her - offering cups of tea etc but I know that I'm getting on her nerves and possibly making her feel worse.

Putting the side effects of fluorextine in the mix must make things even more uncertain. I suppose you will never know what prompted your DD to OD but seems that we have to be very careful with monitoring fluorextine. I can't quite get my head around how something that has side effects that make symptoms worse can help relieve in the long run.

DD's CAHMS in really into mindfulness - they recommended something called HeadSpace which is an app that helps you to meditate in this way. There is an article in this weekend's Guardian magazine about this. Also an interesting article about teen and social media.

CAHMS says that I should be calm and appear competent and in control to DD. That's so hard when I am so confused myself!

Best wishes to you. Keep strong.

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ToffeeWhirl · 02/03/2014 19:51

Sorry your DD is having a difficult time again, Moody. You must feel so scared and upset.

You asked how long it takes for Prozac to work. With DS1, the first symptoms were unpleasant. I can't remember what they were now, but probably headaches, nausea and feeling weird. I had to encourage him through this bit and they did wear off quite quickly. It took a couple of weeks to start seeing signs of improvement and about a month before we saw a real change. By then, he was starting to be able to go out again, which he'd been unable to do for ages, so the change was dramatic. I did think Prozac was the answer to all his problems at that time, but that hasn't proved to be the case, sadly. It is a massive help though.

I found this on a website about how long it takes for Prozac to kick in (NAMI website):

Sleep, energy, or appetite may show some improvement within the first 1-2 weeks. Improvement in these physical symptoms can be an important early signal that the medication is working. Depressed mood and lack of interest in activities may need up to 6-8 weeks to fully improve.

It sounds as if school is the trigger for your DD's low mood. Bullying? Pressure of work?

School does seem to trigger a lot of mental-health problems Sad.

MoodyBlueGreen · 03/03/2014 10:50

Hi Toffeewhirl, thank you for your kind comments again and thank you for the information re: medication. I think we need to hunker down for a week or two to see how things go.

School is a trigger, but I don't think she is being bullied and her studies are going quite well. The pressure of GCSE prep is really getting to her though. The school (which is good academically and otherwise) is quite relentless in the way it pressures encourages the students to do well.

DD is very serious, very keen to do well. She has to work for it though, not academically gifted. She is not that sophisticated and takes all the talk from the teachers at face value (they are generally directed to those students who are not that engaged and could work harder and do better).

I just wish that DD could step back a little and take it all a bit less seriously but I don't think she can.

I think her friends are rallying around. It was very sweet yesterday, DD was revising pretty much all day with her laptop connected to Skype where her friend was revising in her home. When I popped in to her room I could see that they were both hard at work, not speaking but could see each other on the screen. The wonders of modern technology!

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anthropology · 03/03/2014 21:44

I'm sorry you are all going through this. there is very little for parents, and camhs is so stretched and not focussed on the family. Young Minds is the only website dedicated to young people who helped me - think Childline has info now too. YM do have a parents line and you can get e.g, a doctor to call you back re medications, and they will chat to you for up to an hour. I recommend pushing the GP for CBT yourself, giving you a place to talk about fears. I was given 6 sessions when my DD was very unwell and in hospital, and it also helped me find strategies to communicate with her when low.

My DD took fluoxetine for several months at 15,(took about 2 weeks to stop side effects) as I understood to help lift her her to respond to talking therapies when her thoughts were very dark. They have to give talking therapies alongside medication for teens. It did affect her concentration and she described it as not really being able to feel so do keep an eye on her, if she has a lot of schoolwork .. Bear in mind to come off medication slowly,as she had more withdrawal symptoms than initial side effects with this and sertraline.

Ilovejudge Judy. There is less and less help as our kids reach 18. I think its why parent groups don't seem to exist, as once kids turn 18, you are fighting a whole new battle for help. best of luck all of you. If anyone wants any advice on Camhs, do PM me.

MoodyBlueGreen · 12/06/2015 09:37

I am revisiting this thread to update everyone with our story. It has a happy ending (at least to now, fingers crossed) but we have been to hell and back. I am posting to give info (and warning) to those who are considering putting their teen on fluorextine.

To summarise, just over a year ago, my dd shortly after her 16th birthday was put on 10mg of fluorextine after around 6 months of us dithering, with worries about possible side effects. She was primarily suffering from anxiety but there was also some depression there too. There was considerable pressure from CAMHS as they said it may help with the talking therapies they were giving. The dose was upped to the standard 20mg after about 3 months.

We did not see much improvement with her general anxiety and depression (she was taking her GCSEs at the time) after starting the medication. There was possibly some lifting of her mood but not that obvious. What did start (although we didn't realise it at the time) were episodes of erratic behaviour centred around suicidal ideation and more intense and frequent self-cutting. For example the day of her last GCSE when she and her friends were 'celebrating', my dd disappeared. We searched high and low after she made some wierd and creepy calls. My dh and I really thought she may be at the top of a high building getting ready to jump. In fact she was at home in bed, but wanted us to think otherwise.

This was the start of around 8 months of a nightmare time when she seemed frequently at the end of her tether (and we were too). She stopped attending school regularly, ended up in A&E (a dismal night where she spent hours being interviewed by psychiatrists, watched over by security guards and sent home after they couldn't find a femaie driver to take her to a in-patient facility 40 miles away), frequent bouts of self-harm, huge weight gain (as she barely got out of bed but comfort-ate as she thought it helped), insomnia, and these wierd suicidal episodes where she seemed to be reaching out to me in scary and incomprehensible ways.

Quite often after several days of calm she would suddenly do something which jolted us back to reality. I did not go out as it didn't feel safe to leave her on her own (even during the day). It was truly awful.

During this entire time I was giving her the daily dose of fluorextine and she was seeing therapists in CAMHS regularly.

One day around 4 months ago dd confessed to her therapist that she was hoarding the fluorextine capsules and had been doing for ages with a hoard of about 30. Some capsules she took with me watching but others that I left her to take she had just pocketed. A real wake up call for me and CAMHS called an emergency crisis meeting.

CAMHS's response was to take her off the fluorextine straight away. I protested saying that although dd didn't like taking it and we weren't convinced of its effectiveness, I thought just taking her off the medication suddenly when she was far from well was too drastic. I also asked them their views on the acute negative effect that the medication might be having (suicidal ideation) on my dd. They denied that the medication was the cause even though it seems that the effectiveness of fluorextine on teens are not proven.

Eventually we agreed that she will have a phased withdrawal. That was in mid-Feb. It has not been dramatic but since then dd has steadily improved. She has bit by bit got herself together. Her school attendance remained quite erratic but she did enough to sit all her AS exams (something that 5 months ago would have been in our dreams). She has joined the gym and goes there with her friend. She has lost some weight and has started to control her terrible diet. She still has trouble sleeping at night but generally is more active and will join us downstairs and will join in family activities. It seems that she has stopped cutting. It's as if she has woken up from a terrible nightmare.

She still has a long way to go to be 'normal' whatever that is but after several months of sustained improvement, we are cautiously hopeful that she will get there in the end.

As for CAMHS, my faith in them have been severely dented. They were quick to sign her off straight after she came off the fluorextine (well before she showed any sustained improvement). DD is now on a 'therapy holiday' which basically means that she will only be re-admitted if she has a severe reoccurance of her troubles. She still has on-going issues with anxiety but she is not able to get treatment for that at all. I have repeatedly asked CAMHS for their view of the role of her medication in her illness, the fact that there seemed to be a clear correlation between those time when she was the worst and when she was only sporadically taking her medication. They deny any connection but any quick google will show warnings of coming off medication quickly. I think the fact that they were so keen for her to come off fluorextine speaks volumes.

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campocaro · 12/06/2015 09:47

Thanks for keeping us updated on your daughter. It is really healpful to hear other people's experiences and I hope she continues to improve. You have done wonderfully as a parent. It is so hard to know what to do for the best on a day to day basis.

MoodyBlueGreen · 12/06/2015 11:50

Hi campocaro, thank you for your kind words. We all try to do our best, don't we?

Just want to say the main point of my posting is that there are some risks and unknowns about anti-depressants and young people that we need to be cautious about and I am not sure if CAMHS (at least the one we saw) is really on top of it.

National Institute of Mental Health

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seriouslyworried · 14/06/2015 11:51

Fascinating reading this thread! DD (14 & in Y9) has had 5 sessions with CAMHS so far and I think we may be approaching the 'medication' phase!! She is suffering quite badly with depression, self harm, anxiety and general self loathing. I am not coping with it at all, and feel that we may both need AD's!

I am at the point of being willing to try anything that may help DD to not feel the way she does. I am cutting a huge story very short, but with the summer holidays fast approaching, would that be the best time to start AD's?? It has been mentioned that it can take a few weeks for the side effects to pass...I think it would be better that she could just be at home without the added pressure of having to go to school.

I have an appointment with her CAMHS counsellor tomorrow on my own, and I think possible medications will be brought up. It is awful that so many of you are experiencing this with your children, but it is also so helpful to know that you are not the only one. I have never experienced pain and utter helplessness like I have over the last 5 months but your 'lights at the end of the tunnel' are giving me hope!

MoodyBlueGreen · 14/06/2015 19:41

Seriouslyworried, summer holidays seem a good time to start medication though the initial side effects that my dd experienced was quite minor - head aches and so on so shouldn't affect school attendance.

Please read the link I posted in the previous post as although it is quite alarming reading, it may be useful to be on the alert in case your child is one of the few like mine who react badly to AD. One thing that we learned at CAMHS was that teenager's brain is still developing and even without illness or medication (ie normal) can change quickly from stability to unstable moods and back. It's an area of mental health that they don't really know that much about still.

Having said all that there is light at the end and when improvement happens it is quite swift and noticeable.

Wishing you all the best for you and your DD.

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seriouslyworried · 14/06/2015 21:57

Thank you. I read it, and many others like it, and I think that real people's actual experiences are also very helpful. It seems like such a gamble with your child's well being, but when they are already in such a bad place it has to be seriously considered. I am seeing my GP tomorrow as I feel like I am 'losing it' slightly and won't be able to be there for DD properly if I don't get my own mind in order...and I have never been depressed before or felt this way.

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