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A rat catcher's diary...(do not read if of a delicate disposition)

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MarmadukeScarlet · 17/11/2008 09:30

Just to set scene...My secure pen is on sleepers laid in a rectangle (15' x9'). On the inside edge of the sleepers we dug a trench and placed small hole chicken wire nailed to sleepers and going down into hole to a bepth of 80cms. We then filled hole with rubble and earth - this was supposed to put off badgers and foxes.

(The secure pen has 2 doors, one in/out on that opens onto a electric fence pen)

A few weeks ago I noticed some little mouse holes on the inside of the run, tiny ones thumd diameter size. I was not bothered, I live in the sticks and keep ponies (and chickens lol) so can cope with the odd mouse.

Then a huge hole was dug from the outside of the sleeper to underneath, I filled it with a brick and digging stopped (head in the sand, moi?) Then at the end of last week digging resumed with a vengance, I had to accept I had a rat! Then I saw it, the chooks had scraped away some of the easybed/auboise and earth so the wire net under the sleeper was visable and I saw the rat through this.

On Sat urday I noticed rat droppings in my feed/hay store inc on my hay - dirty buggers. In 3 yrs of keeping ponies here have never had a rat. DH peed in the rat hole frid night, whilst doing his fox prevention pee! The rat the dug all the wet earth out making a really hug hole, Sun am DH filled in hole.

So sunday pm (hole still filled) I took all the hay out which sits on pallets to allow air (and rats it would seem) to circulate. As I lifted the first pallet a rat shot out - shudder.

So I went to homebase and, after much deliberation, bought traps not poison - I think poison is much riskier to wildlife, risk of it getting into food chain etc and it takes longer for the animal to die. Put down peanut butter baited traps last night. (please do not flame me, I am an animal loving veggi but rats are beyond the pale)

This morning (STOP READING NOW IF EASILY OFFENDED) I went up to let chooks out, feed and check the traps.

I was confused as the trap was wedged in the big rat hole and had been sprung. Ha Ha I thought, but no in the trap was my little mouse friend - I was initially very confused as to how (and why) a trapped mouse would pull a trap 2 m backwards into a rat hole. I removed trap with my begloved hands and realised most of the mouse had been eaten by the rat.

The poor mouse had sprung the trap and then the blardy rat had thought, yum yum and tried to get it down the hole got it stuck and just eaten the bits it could reach.

Advice needed as to what to do next?

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PuzzleRocks · 17/11/2008 13:51

Bumping for you.

hippipotami · 17/11/2008 13:56

No idea, sorry, but am intrigued by the 'fox prevention wee'?? Tell me more, we are hoping to get chickens, is this something we need to do?

stealthsquiggle · 17/11/2008 13:57

Ugh.

Am watching as we are at the 'head in sand' stage - DH insists we only have mice in the chicken run - I am sure there are rats in there...

MarmadukeScarlet · 17/11/2008 14:31

Thank Puzzle.

hippi, the smell of men's urine deters foxes. I have had to persuade DH to have a nightly al fresco widdle as he does the last check on the ponies, he is not usually a random wee-er.

Stealth, it gets worse!! I went to remove the half mouse from the trap (as it was pre 8am school run when I discovered it, didn't want to move it until after lunch as too gross) and the rat had finished it off! I think my chickens may be traumatised from having to watch this through their run.

Also the trap in the feed shed had not been triggered but something had eaten some of the peanut butter.

Have reloaded both traps in the vain hope I may be sucessful.

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hippipotami · 17/11/2008 14:34

Thanks Marmaduke Had visions of dh 'just popping out for a wee'.

Actually, we suffer from foxes (despite being relatively urban in teh centre of the village but near to woods / fields etc, so will tell dh to wee outside every night. I did last year ask him to wee in teh compost heap as that is meant to help the compost, but alas he refused!

Hope you get the rat!

CrushaGrape · 17/11/2008 15:32

Although i know nothing about keeping chickens, i learned today whilst having a guilty read of the Daily Mail online (we all have our vices...) that rats love urine and are attracted to it. So your husband might have to stop!

It was in an article about I'm A Celebrity, as the bloke from Star Wars is in trouble for peeing near camp, as the series medic says it attracts rats. I'll try and find it...

CrushaGrape · 17/11/2008 15:36

Here we go:
"I tell all the celebrities not to pee in the camp, but someone always disobeys," reveals on-set medic Bob McCarron. "Rats love human urine and they are extremely attracted to it. They will come in and gather around the pee, which then attracts snakes who feast on the rats. It?s one of the worst things the contestants can do."

I am not suggesting you are likely to get a plague of snakes however...

Here's the article

MarmadukeScarlet · 17/11/2008 16:00

Thank you, I didn't know that.

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TheButterflyEffect · 17/11/2008 16:15

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madlentileater · 17/11/2008 19:07

hmmm....WHY would rats be attracted to human urine?
not sure if I believe that what with it being in the DM and all

But, to the OP, poor, poor, you. That definitely trumps my rat story.

mindingalongtime · 18/11/2008 07:27

Shoot them! I have a rat problem too, bloody things! The cars catch them and bring them.

MarmadukeScarlet · 18/11/2008 08:13

I'm guessing you meant cats, my car is def not agile enough to catch a rat! Sadly same goes for the cat, she is an elderly homebody, who can only catch shrews apparently .

So, it sprang both traps last night and ate all the peanut butter, it obviously thinks I'm a glorified meals on wheels service. First course freshly trapped mouse, dessert p.butter!

Am going to melt a mars bar into the bait part of the trap, hopefully that is sticky enough for it to get caught.

I think I might ask Rentokill for a refund, useless blardy traps. I really don't want to use poison, having collected owls (am a wild animal abulance driver volunteer) who have been poisoned by eating poisoned mice.

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Shoshe · 18/11/2008 08:20

we had a rat problem in the house! here

MarmadukeScarlet · 18/11/2008 08:25

Thanks for you rat tale. If it was in the house I would poison it - have lived in dodgy tied cottages on many a farm, so know all about that!

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dilbertina · 18/11/2008 08:30

what about trying that natural stuff that kills rats but not other things? Something to do with how their digestion works [scientific explanation face]

this stuff

Disclaimer: I have not tried it though...

MarmadukeScarlet · 18/11/2008 08:39

Thank you Dillbertina, I will order a box of that later.

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stealthsquiggle · 18/11/2008 09:34

Marmaduke can you keep us posted on whether it works? There is a bloody great big tunnel into our chicken run now - no way is that mice, whatever DH says.

Do you think I could persuade the car to help out - the cat certainly won't!

frostyfingers · 18/11/2008 11:51

I don't know if you can still get them, but ages ago my gran used to have traps that caught rats alive - it was a big (about 2 foot long) tunnel thing made out of thick wire that they scuttled into but somehow couldn't get out. She then (aged a good 70) used to release them into large hessian sack and did one of the following: let them out one by one in front of the terrier - her view was that they had a sporting chance, or (this is grim) used to get a large and heavy piece of wood and play splat the rate, then burn sack and corpses. It was for us (horrible bloodthirsty things that we were) quite entertaining - we are talking about the 70's here so things have moved on a little. If you ask around, you may find someone who is happy to do some ratting with terriers - it's a very efficient way of dealing with them......GOOD LUCK!

solidgoldbrass · 18/11/2008 11:55

Glue traps? Only if you are tough, though, as apparently they scream...

dilbertina · 18/11/2008 11:58

....mmmm. Do you have lots of happy childhood tales frosty?!

Or you could try the pet/child/wildlife friendly stuff.. Not as entertaining for the dc I admit.

frostyfingers · 18/11/2008 12:29

Thinking about it, it's sounds awful - but life was simple back then, entertainment thin on the ground, TV was black & white, and terriers chasing rats was about as good as it got. Nowadays we'd be locked up I expect!

MarmadukeScarlet · 18/11/2008 12:37

Have ordered the wildlife friendly stuff, lets hope it is not as useless as the environmentally friendly weedkiller I bought...

Couldn't do the glue traps but thans for the suggestion.

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sunnygirl1412 · 18/11/2008 12:49

I can't help with the rat issue, but the fox-prevention wee did remind me of something. A single mum friend of mine wanted to stop the foxes coming into her garden because they were chewing up all her ds's toys - even pricy stuff like a tent. We asked my dh if he would pop over and pee round her garden occasionally - and he refused!!

Were we being unreasonable to ask this little favour from him??

MarmadukeScarlet · 18/11/2008 12:51

LOL

He could have saved it up in a bottle if he was a little shy of waving it around in your friends garden.

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stealthsquiggle · 18/11/2008 13:09

You can still get live traps, but the what-to-do-with-them-then issue remains.

The terrier suggestion sounds good - methinks I need to make friends with one or more local gamekeepers.

Unless the poison works, in which case I will be following Marmaduke's example.