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Dh wants some. I'm not convinced. Tell it like it is please!

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Whenisitmysleepytime · 05/06/2012 19:25

Dh and I take it in turns to daydream about chickens. The other one points out practicalities and we decide we're not ready. Except dh is really keen this time. He's even looked online at runs.
So... Tell me please

Start up costs - run etc
Ongoing costs - food, vet, jabs (?!?) etc
How much work is involved - cleaning out especially
How often do you get eggs
How long do chickens live
How long do they lay fowhat do you do once they've stopped laying

Confused I have 2dc (3 & 1) so plenty to do. I don't really want to end up being sole chicken keeper too. Dh is not an animal lover at all but I think he fancies himself as a bit of a farmer at times Hmm

We know nothing so warts and all information would be brill! :)

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ANTagony · 05/06/2012 20:12

Start up costs..as much as you want but realistically £100 buys a nice house/ run off eBay for around 4 birds. Basic starter birds that are good layers and readily available from a hybrid strain at point of lay like Warrens are typically about £10 each. Food bin, feeder, drinker, food and litter allow another £30.

I have 18 chickens now, it's addictive. I don't vaccinate, the advice I've had is it's not necessary for small flocks. That being said some of my birds are from vaccinated stock.

I use a cat litter scoop to keep the nests clean daily and do a bit of a clean once a week with fresh nest material and turn out all the litter fortnightly. If its been really wet I throw in a bit of extra dry litter over the other stuff during the week. I use wood shavings, but people use all sorts.

I let my birds free range so let them out in the morning and shut them away at night. If you buy a cage with integral secure run you can avoid this. I'd recommend getting a run because it makes them easier for others to pop in on just once a day if you go away. Other visits would be for eggs.

I dispatch my old girls, except for one who we estimate is over five as she's become a pet. You can list them for a low sale price or free on sites like preloved and usually they get snapped up quite quickly.

I've thirteen birds who should be laying. Two are currently broody (sitting on anything that resembles an egg hoping it will hatch), four are ancient laying fewer eggs and will be moving on soon and so I'm getting 8ish eggs a day. I've five chicks i'm bringing on to replace the four ancient girls.

Ages they live to appear to vary. Commercially they get rid of them at about two years old but I usually keep them till around four with some eggs.

My sons and now my daughter (1)have loved having the birds and have all collected eggs from when they could toddle, not without the odd breakage.

The demand for chickens at present is such that if you don't get on with it you probably wouldn't make much of a loss on your costs.

MissBeehivingUnderTheMistletoe · 05/06/2012 20:27

Under no circumstances get chickens. You start off with three and one house and before you know it you've got 80 and are obsessed

Whenisitmysleepytime · 05/06/2012 20:28

ANT that's all brilliant info! :)

I now have follow up questions Blush

How long does it take to clean them out? I barely get the housework done, never mind animals Blush so dh will have to do this I think
We live in a fairly urban area although we have a v long and thin garden
We have loads of cats near us (and urban foxes) - I'm guessing the chickens should be in a run rather than free range for their safety

I think my biggest concerns are the time taken to clean them out, the costs (vet bills), and what to do with them when they stop laying.

Dh is really keen, I fear there maybe feathered things in my future....

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ANTagony · 05/06/2012 21:13

I use shavings to soak up droppings. The house I have also has a pull out tray. I shove the nest box contents onto the tray, remove the tray and tip into adjacent compost bin. Reinsert tray, tip on clean shavings. It's no more than five minutes, if I don't chat to the chickens.

I haven't had any cat issues but in my last house did have a fox issue. Burrowing creatures can also be an issue so wire (small hole) under the house and run are worthwhile considerations, not many runs appear to have it top, bottom and sides. Keeping it unattached means any spilled litter can be shaken off as you move it around. If you use a run you will probably want to move the house/ run combination every few weeks to prevent the chickens stripping the ground bare underneath.

Check out preloved and you'll no doubt see hens looking for good homes, if they are cheap or free they appear to be taken on. This is one option to move on your slower layers. The other is to look up dispatching techniques online, or buy locally and ask the seller if you can return in your old birds and buy new in a few years time.

Not sure if I'm heartless but I've never had any chicken related vet bills. I look things up online and just keep a close eye on the girls. At a few pounds a bird I isolate any that appear sick in a big cardboard box, sometimes they just need time out. I've only lost old girls so far.

I don't always have a reliable egg source year round. Sometimes when the days are short and nights very cold some of the girls go out of lay.

pencilsinapenciltin · 05/06/2012 22:46

Agree with all of the above. medical wise you can usually find information online and we have dealt with a couple of health problems successfully without resorting to a vet. Agree with the cleaning out advice above too.

We did find that the run we bought was way too small though and ended up building a run which cost us another hundred quid or so.

other points are: they produce an inordinate amount of poo and the run can get smelly if you don't keep on top of it. Gets smelly anyway.

Also they wake up very early - about 6am - and start creating a racket because they want out into the run. I have close neighbours so I have to get up and let them out. I have blackout fabric over the windows but they are still able to tell the time!

If they free range in your garden they will pretty much destroy it.

They are good fun though and I'm not sorry I got them - they are ex batts we have enjoyed watching them develop.

Migsy1 · 05/06/2012 23:03

I'm a bit fed up of mine tbh. They are about 3 years old and poo non-stop. The main problem is the arrangements I have to make if I go away. They will trash the garden unless you keep them in a run. I have electric netting but even with clipped wings they manage to fly over. I have a run for night-time and if I go away overnight but I don't like them to be in there too much.

I've got 7 and I guess 3 would be a better number.

They are nice to watch and the eggs are lovely but IMHO they are fairly high maintenance and costly. Just saying!

Whenisitmysleepytime · 06/06/2012 11:09

Thanks for all the honesty migsy! It's all appreciated.

So more questions,
What do you do with them when it's really cold? We've had some super cold days in the winter - what then?
Would 3/4 be a good number to start with?
If I've seen occasional rats do we need to be aware/ prevent them getting into the run etc?
How big a run do 3-4 chickens need?

Dh is loving the positive responses! Hmm I'm still not convined.

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Incaminka · 06/06/2012 11:19

I've had battery rescues and pol hybrids (Warrens/Bluebells etc) and pedigree (Marans/Welsummers) and bantams. I totally recommend bantams, parti ularly silkies and araucanas. Good size egg, less poo, less garden damage, terribly friendly. I only have four, and that serves all our egg needs for two plus neighbours.

havingabath · 06/06/2012 11:22

The run will become a fetid poo fest, you have to move it to clean it. You become a poo fest. It is most gross in rain, in summer it is still gross.

Free range them, they love it but they shit big so get a good grass rake, cats no prob, foxes big problem so shut up in evdning. You don't know if foxes are an issue until the hens are eaten.

We get an egg a day per hen pretty reliably and they haven't been ill.

The neighbours loathe them, I have had written complaints about noise and smell. I think the clucking soothing and smell negligible other than if you have a run full of wet poo...

I like mine. Very personable. I like houses with removable side for easiest cleaning, pull out trays less good than they sound.

Incaminka · 06/06/2012 11:22

I free range mine when I am here, and move the run around the garden to discourage rats.

havingabath · 06/06/2012 11:25

They have their own pet rat though, we quite like ratty ... they are all over anyway.

Cold is no prob just use more bedding.

You can get automatic opener for Hutchison so they get up and put selves to bed though these are pricey.

Incaminka · 06/06/2012 11:26

A moveable run will prevent build up of poo. Most important thing is controlling red mite. Clean run and house and shake in diacetamous earth evvery week, or you will get a mite problem. Poo can be sold/added to plants as fertiliser.

post · 06/06/2012 11:27

Our biggest problem is rats.

Migsy1 · 06/06/2012 11:50

For a run you will need 1 square meter per hen (less for bantams).
I forgot to mention the egg laying song (or squarking)! This can really annoy neighbours as it can start very early in the morning, especially in the summer.
I was secretly hoping mine would not survive the winter Shock but they are tough old birds and are still here.
The problem is that they just cost more and more money - coop, run, fencing, protection for your veg patch(if you have one), feed, corn, worming, lice powder, bedding, wood chips for the run.....

Who likes cleaning out poo all the time? If you have kids playing in the garden and the chickens free range they will get covered in poo. If you keep them in a run then the run is covered in poo and it needs constant attention.
I prefer my cat - very low maintenance.

Incaminka · 06/06/2012 11:54

Bantams defintely lower maintenance....

mummymeister · 06/06/2012 12:33

A chicken is as much of a tie as any other pet. miss one evening shutting them in and you will soon know how fox proof your run is. you have to be certain of getting back to put them away if they free range. as i see it: Free range pros are that the poo is spread more evenly and it is better for the hens. cons - you have to be there to shut them away at dusk, they can be a bit random with where they lay and they can get more on your neighbours nerves if they get in. in an ark they are safer but imo less happy. you will also need to move the ark frequently. its your call really but they take as much looking after as a dog or any other pet so need the same sort of committment.

Incaminka · 06/06/2012 12:52

Mummyeister right about fox and getting back in time to shut in. This is why I only free range when we are at home. We also sometimes bring all four in when is snowing.

Doilooklikeatourist · 06/06/2012 18:49

Fox killed our 4 chickens this week , mid afternoon !
We are thinking of getting electric fencing for the next lot , any thoughts ?
We are rural , and like the chooks to have some freedom !

Migsy1 · 06/06/2012 20:26

I've got electric netting. They can fly over even with clipped wings. Perhaps I haven't clipped them short enough. No fox has ever broken into it.

crispyjojo · 06/06/2012 21:04

I loved having our chickens. Sadly, they are no more. It started off with a fox stealing one, then they decided that it was their own fast food place and just kept coming back.
My advice, don't get chickens if there are foxes nearby - if you live in an urban area, there are foxes. It's devastating to watch your chicken die after catching a fox trying to steal her.
If there's no risk of foxes, they're great fun. Have their own little personalities and I'll definitely get some more if I ever move for the urban location.
They are very noisy though and they poo everywhere - as well as wreaking havoc with your garden.

ANTagony · 06/06/2012 22:11

Migsy you're not clipping both wings are you? If you clip one they get disorientated when they take off and don't go up but lopsided/ sideways. If you clip both (my neighbor has done this) they just have to flap harder to get over the fence.

hiddenhome · 06/06/2012 23:03

Poo, poo and more poo Hmm
Wet poo in the Autumn
Frozen poo in the Winter
Wet poo in the Spring
Dry poo in the Summer, but more smells to deal with

Keeping chickens involves mostly poo, sometimes poo and usually, poo. Poo is what you have to deal with on a daily basis Grin

(I even had a dream about chicken poo once) Shock

ps, did I mention poo?

MrsApplepants · 06/06/2012 23:12

I have 4 chickens, love keeping them, but there's so, so much poo!

MrsApplepants · 06/06/2012 23:14

Also, poo attracts lots of flies, we use a red top fly trap which is great but gross to look at

Migsy1 · 07/06/2012 09:16

Antagony No just one wing but I read somewhere that if you clip too much off the chicken can bleed to death so I have probably been over cautious.

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