Eletric car

[Sarawicks]

If I want 200 Mile's on my car how much will it cost at Asda, Tesco or any other charges,

There are apps like this but personally I don't really want some stranger's car blocking my drive for hours so I wouldn't sign up for it. Most home chargers are 7kW, though I think you can get 9. Either way, slow. To get a meaningful amount of charge of a home charger you do need to plug in for a long time so they're really useful if you are going to be there for a good while ie it's your house, you're visiting for the day or it's your workplace or similar, but not for a mid journey fill up. I wouldn't fancy the hassle of working out the cost and billing someone who was using our charger either - I've a feeling it's illegal to sell your domestic electricity to a third party at a profit so there's nothing in it for the lender and there's risk of damage to your charger, security risk of having random people show up at your house etc. Some people are obviously happy with that but it's not for me.

I can imagine friends and family being ok, and those networks are growing all the time - but as you say if you have to top up mid trip you want the fast chargers

How slow is it , have many miles do you get, how much does it cost please , I've got sockets outside

How slow is what? The cars don’t go slow and the acceleration can be splendid

I think the question depends on the size of the battery and the effectiveness of the engine

so a 50kwh battery at 4 miles per kWh would take you 200 miles and an 80kwh at 4.7 mile per kWh would take you 376 miles

like with a petrol car you wouldn’t want to run to empty

unlike a petrol car you don’t want to fill up completely every time as that would degrade the battery over time

you are looking at the full 7hrs overnight cheap rate to charge the larger batteries from 20% to 80% which would be normal operating ranges - you would push that for long trips to save filling up at the expensive stations

working in the 20 to 80% range would give you 225 miles before you needed to top up - that would be a weekly charge needed if you were doing 11000 miles a year which is rather more than average

note that battery sizes and miles per kWh vary quite a lot between models and I know people who charge almost every day ( but that means they have a smaller battery and so less cost per charge )

Like I said, too many variables. Cold weather and you won’t get 200 miles. Hot weather and you’ll get more than 200 miles. Add in driving style, the baseline electric use to keep the car active etc. it all adds up.

As for cost, well, don’t charge at a supermarket? It’s as low as 5p per kWh if you charge at home. Install a charger, pay on 0% finance (if you must), and you’ll come out ahead. Definitely compared to fast charging at the supermarket. Initially, I had to use a supermarket and I was spending £100-150 per month in depths of winter due to coldness destroying range and needing to drive a lot. This time round, I expect no more than £50 per month if I’m unlucky with how much I need to drive. But more realistically, it’ll be £30ish per month.

Note when you say sockets outside - that will
lkkely be a normal household socket ? Not a special ev charging one?

the household socket takes something like 24 to 36 hours to charge an EV because it’s pushing the energy is slower

I'm going hybrid next year when the new hybrid toyota Aygo comes out. I'm a small car driver, so I haven't really gone electric yet as my petrol aygo's mileage is still better than a small electric car's battery, and its still cheaper to fill up with petrol. I drive regularly down to Doncaster from Huddersfield at weekends, so I still need the longer mileage. Electric cars are only cheap if you have solar panels on your roof and you can produce your own electricity. Plus the UK's charging infrastructure is not sufficient at the moment.

Your questions are too generic. It's like saying I'm going to buy a car how many mpg will it do?

Surely it would be more helpful to look at the specificicatios of actual cars and the price you pay for elctricity

A home charger is usually up to 7 kW whereas a granny charger (plug socket) is below 2 kW. Basically you would need to have your car plugged in to a socket almost all the time that it's on your drive but a home charger will do a charge overnight so you can take advantage of cheaper rates. Public chargers are at different speeds, typically between 22 kW and 150 kW with faster chargers usually more expensive. However, bear in mind that the cars have a limit on the speed that they can accept the charge, generally the more luxury end will be able to charge faster. There's no point paying the premium for 150 kW speed if your car will only be able to take 50 kW.

It's definitely do-able with a granny charger, one of my friends did it for around three years, however it was a pain and she had to top up at expensive public chargers occasionally when charge got low. In your position though I would probably give it another four or five years to save up for a home charger and by then the cheaper second hand electric cars will be filtering through to the market.

What's the long term plan for electric cars and houses that don't have a driveway? My worry is on street charging wouldn't come from your home but they'd charge the higher rates like they do now for the public. We'd love an electric but the lack of driveway is a huge issue.

I used to live in a street of terraced houses and EVs either had cables running through drainage channels in the pavement and then into windows, or just over the pavement with rugs over them. There are other streets with chargers in the lampposts. All the same it only works if the whole street is t trying to do it. I’ve seen quite a lot of chargers on small poles next to parking spaces, I’m guessing we’ll see more of those. Don’t blame anyone for being cautious without a home charger though.

Second hand EV prices are getting cheaper all the time but still nothing like the number of really cheap decent liquid fuel cars.

If a 180 mile range will work for you (that’s what I have, it’s doable for me) then there’s a lot of significantly cheaper options because it’s becoming pretty normal to have a 250 mile plus range. Still looking at 8 or 9 k though.

A normal household socket will only deliver 3kw/h charge. So it would take around 64/3= approx 21-22hrs to charge my 64kw car from 0 to 100% getting roughly 10ish miles per hour of charging (varies depending on weather and driving style/type of journey).

My 7.4kw/h charger would charge 0-100% in around 9hrs, I usually just plug in at night every 2-3 days and keep it between 20-80% and it is done in 4-5hrs. Suits me as my daily commute is only 40 miles round trip and we don't often do long car journeys.

If we were doing a long journey we would use dh's car, but his car gets used so rarely now as everyone prefers the EV to drive we are thinking of getting rid of it.

Or you could have a charger installed and it'll cost you 7p per KWH with Octopus at night on their EV tariff. You just gave to be careful that no-one trips up if you park on the tosf outside your house. Usually comes to no more than £3-£4 depending what percentage you start from. Pays off the charger itself in a couple of years through the savings. You don't charge to 100% on public chargers as the charging slows down once you hit 80% and makes it more expensive. Cheapest public charger I've seen is 47p per KWH.

Charging on a 3 pin socket (granny charger) with a 54kw battery took us about 17 hours before we got the charger installed and you can't take advantage of the EV tariff.

Do not get an electric car if you can’t charge at home (or free through work etc), just don’t.

Because the point of EVs is that you charge at home and save money. You may find an EV charger is a plus point for renting out your house. Especially if its untethered. Most new homes being built are coming with them installed as standard.

We are considering getting a second car and thinking about a small electric, but wouldn't be if we didn't have a drive and could charge at home.
Octopus are currently very reasonable for at home chargers and have a good tariff for those with EVs for cheap overnight electricity. The furthest we would take an EV would be PIL and they have a plug in hybrid so have a charger they wouldn't mind us using. Car park chargers are more expensive than petrol

Apart from the massive drip feed, it appears you know very little about EVs, charging, costs or anything else.

From what you have posted, your research seems very fickle to non-existent.

In your shoes, I'd be prioritising buying my own home for a wall charger before spending vast sums of money on an EV that you might not be able to charge properly.

Your car is pretty economical TBH, 50mpg or better. My daily would cost 3 times that to do 200 miles.

Yes its just about, driving carefully, just about 50mpg, I check it now and then and its still about that.

Actually I think its about 45 to 48mpg.