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Top tether restricting 360 car seat

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JK2026 · 04/01/2026 20:23

Does anyone else think a car seat from ages 0-12 advertised as a 360 rotating seat is a bit useless when forward facing and secured with top tether because the tether stops the seat from rotating unless adjusted each time it is used? I completely understand, and appreciate, the tether is a safety feature but slightly left scratching my head with this one. Thoughts welcome. Thanks

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FamilyAreEverything · 04/01/2026 22:19

Yep, completely pointless. It’s also unlikely to last your child until they are 12 years, as it will have a much shorter back length than a standard HBB.

A seat with a top tether is also less safe in crash testing than one with a support leg. Is the seat new? Can you return it and purchase something different?

BertieBotts · 05/01/2026 00:13

It's bad design. I think it's really irresponsible actually because as far as I can tell, they include the top tether for the crash test requirement but they haven't given any thought to how the product will actually be used, I think it's that they don't actually care whether people use it or not, which is really awful. Missed top tethers are one of the most common car seat errors, it can be a catastrophic one unfortunately, and a lot of people don't realise how important it is. A lot of time in the marketing of these seats, the photos suggest the seat can be rotated. Tends to go along with dodgy workmanship and really badly written instructions, which can also increase the chance of dangerous misuse. It's a red flag for sure, and if you can return the seat or complain based on false advertising I'd highly recommend it.

If your seat has a top tether, then you must usually use it for any harnessed mode. Refer to instructions to be sure, but if the manual says it must be used, it's not optional.

Top tethers are sometimes used on cheaper seats because they are cheaper to produce than support legs. I don't think it's true that they are less safe, particularly for forward facing you tend to get a similar performance whether the 3rd point of anchorage is TT or leg. For rear facing, particularly for older children (over 2 ish) I don't think they support the weight of a larger RF child as well as a support leg does, but it's a hunch rather than being based on much substantial. (I apologise if I have made this seem more strongly evidenced in the past!) The "loop" style tethers which attach on both sides are better, but less commonly seen.

If it happens to be a Reecle/Lettas/Miophy/Jovikids or any of the other brands that only seem to sell on amazon, I can only advise not to use the seat at all. One of their models like this utterly failed the ADAC crash test in the autumn and the seat flew off the base. An earlier model got a really terrible score a few years ago. Amazon still have the failed model on sale, it wasn't recalled. This video should auto dub into English.

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JK2026 · 05/01/2026 09:29

@FamilyAreEverything and @BertieBotts - I just want to say thank you for posting, I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks along the lines you both do and the information you have provided is extremely helpful.

I'm a new parent, I purchased the seat online from Smyths. After lugging it home I unpacked it to inspect it and test the mechanism. On installing it in my car I realised the rotation function doesn't work with the top tether. Utterly pointless design! In addition, I'm seriously concerned of the risk of human error with the top tether which, in my opinion, renders the product dangerous. Really poor design.

I attempted to return the product in store at Smyths but was met with "our policy doesn't allow for a car seat to be returned" despite the fact that the product has not been used and is still in its original box and packaging. I found this astounding.

I have escalated the issue with Smyths customer services on the basis the product was purchased online "at a distance". As such, under the Consumer Contracts Regulations 2013 a consumer who purchases products online has a statutory 14 day cooling off period to return the product.

Ultimately I do feel like I have been misrepresented. A 360 car seat which doesn't rotate when tethered is useless in my opinion. I'm not a car seat expert. Had I know this I would've purchased a seat with a support leg. I do find all of this terribly confusing!

I appreciate your support guys and will keep you posted on the outcome.

Thanks

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BertieBotts · 05/01/2026 15:17

Good luck with the returns process. It's a pain in the arse for the company as it means they can't resell the seat so they will fight refunding you, but you should have a decent argument under the distance selling act and the item not being fit for purpose/as advertised. If more people made this decision then perhaps they wouldn't sell them!

Let me know if you need any help choosing a different seat. I am happy to recommend options which don't cost the earth. Buying online can be tricky because it means you don't have the opportunity to test out stuff like this, but I also appreciate it's hard to get into a store. IME, out of the chains, Smyths can be very hit or miss for car seats. A lot of their stock is generic/cheaper brands although they do stock a couple of decent models. John Lewis and Mamas and Papas tend to have better trained staff and more choice for car seats, Halfords have a good stock of cheaper seats and almost universally terrible advice, but the gold nugget if you can find one is an independent nursery store near you. If you go onto the website of any "baby" brand (e.g. Britax) and look at their stockist list, see if you can spot any non-chains near you and try them out. Because they are smaller businesses the tendency is they have staff who are passionate about what they do and they really get into the details with stuff like car seats, which is incredibly helpful because as you have found, there's so much choice that buying blind is really tricky.

Some rules of thumb which will help without becoming a car seat expert:

Stick with well known brands. You know how people say with washing machines "Just buy the cheapest Bosch" ? This is the rough equivalent, IMO, of car seat to applance brands. You can absolutely buy the cheapest Britax and it will be a great seat.

Joie/Graco are budget but perfectly good seats, similar to Beko/Hotpoint appliances.
Maxi Cosi/Cybex/Britax are mid range, reliable decent brands similar to Bosch/Siemens.
Besafe, Axkid are high end, high build quality, similar to Miele.

Support leg only for spin seats, top tether is OK for forward facing only seats.

Specialise. You want your seat to perform as few "jobs" as possible so it can be optimised, so focus on the immediately needed stage and possibly the next one up - so if you're wanting a forward facing seat, then pick a harnessed seat only or a harnessed seat which converts to high back booster. If you're buying for a younger baby, preferably an infant carrier, but possibly a spin seat "up to age 4" or a larger rear facing seat "up to age 7", but nothing with a high back booster mode.

Asking a seat to protect a newborn, a baby, a toddler and a school aged child, and spin, and cost <£200 is way too many jobs for it to do any of them well. Pick maybe 4 of those things. You can go cheap by sacrificing age categories and/or spin function.

As with all rules, there are exceptions but these three will typically keep you in a good place with regard to quality and usability.

FamilyAreEverything · 05/01/2026 16:30

Great advice from @BertieBotts above.

I would just add that many independent retailers offer payment plans which may make some
of the more expensive, more rigorously tested and longer lasting seats from Axkid, Avionaut and BeSafe more affordable. If you can find someone local then you’ll also have the opportunity to try them in your car and see if they work for you and your child.

JK2026 · 06/01/2026 13:55

@BertieBotts and @FamilyAreEverything thank you both soo much for your advice. I'm definitely rethinking my approach now, buying "the reasonably priced Bosch" is very sensible advice. I also agree buying a seat that does everything is not a good idea.

Smyths have responded to request further information. Fingers crossed they agree with the points I have made regarding distance selling.

Honestly guys as a new parent, your advice and support has been invaluable. Thank you so much!

Will keep you updated on the returns!

Many thanks

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JK2026 · 09/01/2026 10:38

Hi @BertieBotts and @FamilyAreEverything,

Quick update on my return. Smyths initially rejected my return as they argued they were unable to resell the car seats.

While I appreciate the point they make, I pointed out whether or not the items can be resolved are irrelevant to me exercising my statutory rights to cancel the contract within 14 days of the goods being collected. Following this response, they accepted I would be able to return the goods and claim a full refund.

I do think the vast majority of consumers aren't aware of the statutory protections under the Consumer Contracts Regulations 2013. In this particular instance, I believe it could be argued Smyths returns policy was unlawful. I'm afraid I had to argue this point with them before they were willing to accept I may return the goods.

Following my own research, I noticed Smyths did not appear to be a member of an official alternative dispute resolution service. Based on my experience, this is somewhat of a red flag. I'm afraid I won't be purchasing from Smyths again.

Thank you both once again for your advice and words of encouragement. I really appreciate it.

Many thanks

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