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WWYD: 3yo & newborn?

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MoreThanRubies · 17/01/2024 14:43

Hoping for some advice on pros and cons, and what kind of thing might be recommended in store.

I’m expecting DD2 in a few months, when DD1 will be just 3. DD1 is in a Joie 360 that goes up to 4yrs, but she’s reasonably tall (in 3-4yrs trousers). We don’t have our baby lift-out seat any more as that was in a previous accident.

Options seem to be:

  1. Buy next size up seat for DD1 and use Joie 360 for newborn DD2 - losing the lift-out ability
  2. Buy a baby seat for DD2, then shift them both up a size in a year - risks wasting money if DD1 grows out of hers quickly

Hope this makes sense. Are there any other options to consider? What would you do?

tia

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BertieBotts · 17/01/2024 15:29

Trouser size is less important than top size, what size tops is she in and do you know how tall she is and her weight? (Also current age with months would be helpful).

The Joie 360 is one of the less-awful multi stage seats for newborns but it's still not ideal, you have to be very confident in fitting them, and you will lose that carry out factor as you said.

The Joie 360 is pretty enormous and is very good for long use - I have a big 5yo who could have stayed in it until quite recently, though had moved him out for his brother to have the seat. Children seem to outgrow it somewhere between 110-115cm depending on whether they have longer legs or body. So in terms of money saving, it might make sense to go with the biggest baby seat you can find (Cybex or Britax, usually - both have basic or premium models) and try to squeeze as long out of the Joie for DD1 as possible. OTOH, even if you did stick with it for a year, just turned 4 is on the young side for moving to a high backed booster seat. So it might make sense to look at a larger seat for DD1, whether you move her ASAP or go for the baby carrier first.

Is DD1 rear facing and if so would you like to continue? The leg room on the Joie 360 rear facing is totally crap. So if you did want to continue rear facing, it might be worth looking at the longer lasting rear facing seats like Axkid Move, as they have much better leg room and the extra capacity (up to approx 7 years) just means you don't need to worry about how long it will accommodate her. Whether you want to move her out at 4, 5, 6 ... totally your choice. And if DD2 turns out to be even taller then it future proofs you too.

OTOH if she is already forward facing or you think you will move to FF soon, then it might also be worth looking at a seat which is designed specifically for forward facing. The Joie 360 Spin has a good safety rating, but some of this will be afforded to it by the rear facing mode, as safety rating is an average of all modes unless one totally fails. The spin places a child higher and further forward in the car, which is less protective than a seat which places them lower down and further back. For example you could look at Britax Evolvafix or Advansafix Pro, or Maxi Cosi Titan i-size or i-size Pro. Silver Cross Balance i-size is also (I believe) equivalent to ABC Design Aspen which received a good safety rating. The Britax and Silver Cross are both 105cm/21kg weight limit on the harness. Maxi Cosi is 105cm/18kg.

Joie Bold is worth looking at if you are likely to need a longer lasting harness, though the safety rating on it is not as good, so I wouldn't choose it if you don't need the extended harness. (If you do want this it's advisable to buy ASAP even if you store it for later, as it's been discontinued and the newer version doesn't have the high weight limit.)

BertieBotts · 17/01/2024 15:32

If you go into a high street store my guess is you'll be shown the 123 type seats like Britax Advansafix Pro.

Or if you are currently rear facing they might show you seats like Silver Cross Motion all size (or the cheaper, generic versions) which do all the modes - rear facing, forward facing, booster - in general I wouldn't recommend this - it's a false economy.

If you went to an ERF specialist they will show you the Axkid and Besafe long lasting rear facing seats (more expensive than the Move).

DappledThings · 17/01/2024 15:36

I don't have anywhere the knowledge of BertieBotts who is excellent on these threads. But I wouldn't consider the lifting of the car as a factor at all. I hardly ever did it. Didn't see the point at all. Our infant carrier seat only really ever came out of the car on the rare occasions we were travelling in a different car.

Welshcake15 · 17/01/2024 16:06

We had this situation and went with an Axkid Minikid for my eldest and bought an infant carrier for the new baby that would do until they were big enough to fit into the seat my eldest had been in safely.

I didn't feel comfortable turning my eldest forward facing. He wasn't sensible enough to just have the seatbelt, and from a safety perspective it wouldn't have been safe for him to be forward facing with a harness as it massively increases the risk of internal decapitation in the event of an accident.

MoreThanRubies · 18/01/2024 19:56

Thanks everyone, lots of good stuff to think though here. DD1 is 35 months - will be nearly 37 when DD2 is born. DD1 is 93cm which some googling tells me is fairly average - she just seems massive compared to some of her daintier peers at nursery! She’s rear facing which I like. I think she would enjoy forward facing but I’d like to keep her rear facing as long as possible. While she has her moments, she’s fairly calm in general and hasn’t tried to escape yet.

I’ll look into the options suggested! I really appreciate the advice.

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BertieBotts · 18/01/2024 22:28

If you want to rear face and you want info to compare the different ERF seats which aren't generally available in high street stores, the FB groups are good places to do that. They are less good at any advice where you want to compare Swedish type ERF seats to any other kind of car seat, because they are totally convinced that those long lasting ERF seats are the only way! But if that's the type of seat you want to learn more about, they are great places to do that.

One wildcard which might be worth considering - Besafe Beyond system which is supposed to be coming out soon. There will be a baby seat with a rotating base (very popular right now) and then there is a toddler seat that clicks into the same base but uniquely, continues to rotate (and rear face) up to 125cm.

It's likely to be a pricey option overall, so might not make sense compared with just getting one of the bigger ERF seats for DD1 or getting an infant seat for DD2, but maybe worth looking at.

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