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I don't know what to do :(

89 replies

cloudypink · 23/04/2024 09:25

Hi everyone

I'm feeling really deflated and not sure what else to do.
I'm calorie counting, I walk around 4-6 miles at least 4x a week. I go to the gym 5x a week and have a PT once a week.
I have been to the Drs to check my thyroids etc all clear.

I just can't lose the weight and it's really getting to me. I lose a Lb then the next day the Lb is back up and its constantly like that. I don't understand what else I can do. I'm eating lots of protein, I'm in a calorie deficit and drinking around 2-3 litres of water a day. Everyone says it will happen but I've been doing this for a while now and no change Sad does anyone have any advice?

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GallowwayGirl88 · 23/04/2024 09:45

How are you measuring your calories? Do you weigh everything, fluids, sauces, oils etc? How did you calculate your calorie needs?

Rocknrollstar · 23/04/2024 10:20

You don’t say how much you are eating.How many calories do you aim for? Exercise is good for toning but you have to do an awful lot of it to lose significant amounts of weight. I need to eat 1200 iCals or less to start losing .And on the old points system of Weight watchers, if I ate 20 points day I put on weight.

cloudypink · 23/04/2024 10:23

I'm on 1500 calories a day. My PT worked out how much I should be eating from my height and weight. Originally it was said that I should eat about 1800 a day but I find that to much (funny a fat person saying that I know). I use Hello fresh meals so pick the lower calorie ones. If it says it's 500 for half then I usually dish up less for my plate so I know it's not more then 500 but I don't weigh it all out. Maybe I need to start that. During the day if I have a piece of fish and it says 230 cals then I take it for what it is. Use the 1cal oil spray which I do include in my calories.

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Saintmariesleuth · 23/04/2024 10:35

I would defintely weigh it out. My issue is portion control, so I was overestimating how much I was eating, even though I had a reasona ke diet and did a lot of exercise.

I used my fitness pal, made everything myself for several weeks (I did some batch cooking in advance so this worked around my shift pattern), and stuck the weighing info on the tub so I could quickly tap it in to the calorie calculator. I have been going a few months and lost about 8.5kg.

1500 is a tough amount to stick to (I am around 1600 so I feel your pain). What rate of weight loss should this equate to?
I have found that eating two decent meals rather than 3 small ones works better for me, so have inadvertent taken up intermittent fasting too. This was a tough first week, but my body adapted quite quickly. I also found that eating more protein and less carbs helped to keep me full for longer.

Edited to add- double check the calorie calculator carefully, I have found a few things can be inaccurate

GallowwayGirl88 · 23/04/2024 10:46

Definitely start weighing your food, anything that passes your lips gets weighed/ measured first. It can be very time consuming to start with but it’s worth it.

what’s your macros like?

Thegreatgiginthesky · 23/04/2024 11:10

What do you do at the gym? If cardio swap it for weights as the muscle will help you to burn more calories.

What is your gut microbiome like? Are you eating to encourage a balance of bacteria that support fat metabolism. Make sure you include fermented foods in your diet.

What is your diet quality like? Focus on healthy whole foods and ditch processed foods and sugar completely.

How are other parts of your life, stress, sleep etc, it will help with weight loss to address these as cortisol will increase belly fat.

NigelHarmansNewWife · 23/04/2024 11:19

How long have you been doing all this?

Can you post:
Your height
Your current weight
What you do in the five gym sessions
What you do with the PT

I think the HF meals could be inaccurately calorie counted or an average so that's skewing your calories.

Also the human body is really good at resisting losing weight - you need rest and one day a week not in the gym/with PT could be too much.

That said, it would only be a temporary effect - if you're in a calorie deficit you'll lose weight.

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 24/04/2024 22:45

I think myfitnesspal can be quite inaccurate

CandiedPrincess · 24/04/2024 22:48

I don't lose weight unless I eat under 1200. 1500 is maintenance for me as I'm short.

NigelHarmansNewWife · 24/04/2024 23:01

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 24/04/2024 22:45

I think myfitnesspal can be quite inaccurate

In what way - can you be more specific?

Legacy · 24/04/2024 23:07

NigelHarmansNewWife · 24/04/2024 23:01

In what way - can you be more specific?

I don’t know if it’s user generated, but I’ve found some of the calorie info wrong for foods compared to what’s on a bottle/packet. If you scan a barcode it’s usually correct.

NigelHarmansNewWife · 25/04/2024 07:42

Legacy · 24/04/2024 23:07

I don’t know if it’s user generated, but I’ve found some of the calorie info wrong for foods compared to what’s on a bottle/packet. If you scan a barcode it’s usually correct.

Okay so that's the kind of thing I always check against the packet. It's partly because some of the info is user generated or composition changes over time. If you use it sensibly it works brilliantly.

MagpiePi · 25/04/2024 07:52

BIWI · 24/04/2024 23:11

I can highly recommend this book which explains why calorie counting (in the longer term) really doesn't work.

I’ve read that book too, and it is very interspersed, but I’m not sure the take away message is that calorie counting doesn’t work.

The fact is, being in calorie deficit will lead to weight loss. Look at anyone who’s been in a famine! The problem is, we are always looking for a way to get into calorie deficit without any effort or hardship.

CandiedPrincess · 25/04/2024 08:37

The fact is, being in calorie deficit will lead to weight loss. Look at anyone who’s been in a famine! The problem is, we are always looking for a way to get into calorie deficit without any effort or hardship.

Agree with this. Calorie deficit works, it's basic. The problem is it's hard to maintain a calorie deficit forever and people end up going back to old eating habits. Myself included.

I lost two stone though calorie deficit alone, but then what did I do? Go back to eating like a pig. The "women need 2000 calories a day" trope is misleading. I needed to be on maintenance calories which for me is about 1700. Over that, I gain weight.

The reason calorie counting doesn't work is because people aren't honest about what they are putting into their mouth. They forget how many additional calories are in the oil they are cooking with, or the spoonful of Mayo they have on the side of their plate, or the dressing on the salad and believe me, once you start calorie counting properly you really become aware of it.

BIWI · 25/04/2024 09:08

Calorie counting doesn't work in the longer term I should have said. Which is what the book explains. Because every time you lower your calories, your metabolism slows down. Your body recognises it's getting less fuel so tries to deal with this by slowing things down (crudely). Which is why you see so many posts here (and elsewhere on the internet!) where people complain that no matter how low they take their calories, they can't lose weight.

But this is explained much better in the book!

BIWI · 25/04/2024 09:12

Here's a summary of the book (from the author's website):

The premise of the book is that although most people eat too many calories, only some people become obese. It explains how changes in our modern environment can be misinterpreted by the body as signs of an impending famine or a harsh winter. The natural response to this is weight gain. These signals, which include excess omega-6, high insulin and high cortisol levels, when combined with previous low calorie dieting, cause intractable obesity. By eliminating these ‘famine’ signals we can take back control of our weight whilst enjoying healthy and tasty food.

In the first chapter “Metabology for Beginners’ we wonder why doctors know so little about obesity and weight loss when it affects a third of their patients? Starting with the shock of seeing their first cadaver in anatomy class, the story begins by describes how fat is the first thing medical students dissect away and discarded into the incineration bin. Ignored like the whole science of weight regulation. But, little do they know that hidden within those fat cells is a complicated organ that guides our appetite and energy use.

From the starvation experiments of conscientious objectors in Minnesota during the war, to overeating studies on prisoners in Vermont we start to understand that weight loss and weight gain don’t seem to follow the conventional, energy in - energy out, rules that are ingrained in our understanding of obesity. Why do people not lose as much or gain as much weight as expected. Why does the body try and hold on to its own desired weight? By comparing the bodies exquisitely accurate regulation of water content (using thirst to take water in and urine to excrete it) to energy regulation (using appetite to take in and metabolism to use up) we wonder why such an important mechanism doesn’t seem to work - why is too much energy stored as fat in some people? Or, we speculate, maybe it’s not broken - is the body deliberately storing more energy in response to environmental signals. Signals that a long hard winter, or a severe famine are coming?

This theory is the basis of the book - Is obesity a sign of sustained preparation for a famine? Are hibernation signals triggering weight gain? Similar signals that trigger weight gain in many animals?

In ‘The Sacred Cow’ we learn why a free roaming Indian cow, well-fed and well cared for, is only half the size of the cows in the drizzly green fields of England. The explanation of how farmers can grow a herd to be bigger and fatter than their rivals herd by changing the type of feed and by using selective breeding techniques is then mischievously applied to human populations - with the same outcome. We visit a food court in Dubai and wonder why the local Emiratis are so much bigger than the other tribes eating the same food. We look at the Pacific Islanders and speculate how their marathon ocean migrations may have selected for those with fat genes. We see what happens to identical twins when they are adopted and raised in different environments - is their eventual size effected by their genes… or their environment?

‘The Biggest Losers’ takes a look at what happens to contestants from the extreme weight loss TV shows in the long term. Why do they have metabolisms that are 600kcal/day less than their former selves… even when they have regained all their weight? Why can two similar looking people have metabolisms that differ by the equivalent of a 10k run or a Big-Mac meal deal - every day? The observations seem to fit in with our theory that the body is on control of weight regulation and you can’t beat it by dieting - in fact you are encouraging even more weight gain, the calorie restriction giving distressing famine type stress signals

‘The Glutton’ describes what it is like to suffer from end-stage obesity. Why are severely obese people constantly hungry and tired? The chapter explains how, under normal circumstances, our gas-tank (the amount of fat we are carrying) is recognised by our brains. If we are carrying enough fat we will automatically eat less. Imagine what happens if the petrol gauge in our car is faulty and shows no gas when the tank is actually full? We stop at the nearest petrol station. In the same way, in leptin resistance, (the condition explaining run-away obesity), the message that too much fat is on board is not getting through, the result - constant ravenous hunger.

“The Master Chef’ take us on a journey through time. Explaining how humans could not have evolved a bigger brain, could never have become who we now are, without first using fire, and the cooking of food to our metabolic advantage. Food and cooking defines us as humans and once we grasp this then the story of our relationship with food - from the beginning of agriculture, to local markets, food merchants, the sugar story, and finally the industrialisation of food - seems like a natural progression.

“The Fat Scientist’ explains why we have been told that natural saturated fats are bad for our health and unpicks the floored research into the diet-heart hypothesis - explaining away the so-called paradoxes of the French, the Maasai and the Inuit Eskimos, who all have high fat diets and low rates of obesity and heart disease.

‘The Omega Code’ compares the ancient diseases; beriberi and scurvy - diseases misunderstood for hundreds of years, and speculates whether a current deficiency could be a cause of obesity. Looking at the change in the food we eat, caused by the cholesterol scare - increased oils, grains and processed foods, it examines the effect these have on our levels of essential fats. The chapter describes how western populations have profound derangements of their omega-3:6 ratios. How the high omega-6 in western foods mimics the Autumn food that triggers pre-winter weight gain in many animals.

‘The Miracle Diet Book’ starts with a mischievous tip on how to make money by writing a diet book that will become briefly popular but will then be discarded, as dieters regain their weight… and then gain even more.

‘The Fat of the Land”, uses observations and examples from real patients in clinic to outline the times in life when weight gain is often triggered (leaving home, going to college, getting married, doing night shift and moving to a new country) and explains, in each case, why weight gain occurs.

Part Three of Why We Eat (Too Much) takes the reader through a simple stepped program to reset their weight to a healthier level, reinforcing the main themes of the book - why some people struggle and some are immune to obesity, how diets are counter-productive, the metabolic dangers of grains and vegetable oils, the detrimental effect of insulin on weight, how natural saturated fats are good for you and should not be avoided, cortisol / stress and weight gain and the importance of muscle health (but not going crazy in the gym). All these factors - when truly understood will mean that the reader will never have to go on another ‘miracle diet’ again.

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 27/04/2024 15:21

I go through phases of calorie tracking. Lots of people make entries which are the calories they wish the food was. You can see this yourself by entering a product or food item and consulting the list- you’ll often see half a dozen different values for the same food, same amount. Only trust yourself, or those which are green ticked (and occasionally they can be inaccurate too).

MissBedelia · 27/04/2024 15:24

You are not in a calorie deficit or you’d be losing weight. Log absolutely everything to eat and drink religiously and see.

MissBedelia · 27/04/2024 15:24

And check out The Fitness Chef Facebook group, very helpful

Rowgtfc72 · 27/04/2024 15:35

Im on 1600 calories a day. Bike 9 miles a day. Log a 3 mile walk but I'm in a manual job and on my feet moving for 8 hrs on top of that.
Four weeks ago I was 16st 2. This morning I'm 15st 2.
I've practically cut out processed food and sugar, very little dairy and wheat as I'm slightly intolerant to both. Upped my protein.
I log everything including my Friday pizza.
5 days I come in just under 1600, 2 days I'm around 2000.
I was originally on about 3000 calories I reckon. I can see where I'm going wrong and am learning to make sensible choices.
I've tried 1200 and 1400 and I lost nothing, got bored and gained.
I reckon we've all got an optimum calorie intake to keep us chugging over, and it's different for everyone.

TeenLifeMum · 28/04/2024 16:55

I’m finding after a year like you, that it’s not just about the calories anymore for me (in my 30s I could eat chocolate Easter eggs all day but stay under 1200 calories (I’m short) and I’d lose weight. Hitting 40 the scales were barely moving. Now I’m using Noom and essentially it’s made me realise that the food I eat matters and I need to fill up on “Green” foods (Noom category - veg and fruits) with some “yellow” foods - lean meats and eggs etc with a few “red” foods - chocolate/cheese.

That balance is finally meaning I see a shift in the scales. Plus I’m eating 3 meals a day which means I’ve started not wanting to snack or binge at 5pm while cooking tea. I’ve not eaten breakfast for years!

Mynewnameis · 28/04/2024 16:58

Do you weigh cereal etc?
I try and cut down on carbs and especially bread

NigelHarmansNewWife · 29/04/2024 07:50

TeenLifeMum · 28/04/2024 16:55

I’m finding after a year like you, that it’s not just about the calories anymore for me (in my 30s I could eat chocolate Easter eggs all day but stay under 1200 calories (I’m short) and I’d lose weight. Hitting 40 the scales were barely moving. Now I’m using Noom and essentially it’s made me realise that the food I eat matters and I need to fill up on “Green” foods (Noom category - veg and fruits) with some “yellow” foods - lean meats and eggs etc with a few “red” foods - chocolate/cheese.

That balance is finally meaning I see a shift in the scales. Plus I’m eating 3 meals a day which means I’ve started not wanting to snack or binge at 5pm while cooking tea. I’ve not eaten breakfast for years!

If you're in a calorie deficit you'll lose weight. One of the things that happens gradually as we get older is that we become less physically active. Whereas we probably didn't even think about it when younger you have to consciously plan in activity. The noom colours sounds very much like Slimming Worlds speed foods, healthy extras and syns.

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