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How seriously should I take this accusation of son 'being mean'?

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DiceCat · 22/04/2024 15:31

TL;DR: another parent has messaged me to say that my son and his friends were being mean to their son. I've spoken to my son and he has a different view, which is that there was some banter between all of them that they all joined in with and where no-one was singled out, and then that this boy walked off and stopped speaking to them, with no warning signs that he'd stopped enjoying the banter. I've also spoken to the parent of one of the other boys, who's story is consistent with the additional fact that the 'victim' was hitting the rest of them, which my son has also now confirmed. I've talked to my son about empathy and inclusiveness, but not sure how to respond to the initial parent or whether to even respond at all, given that there are two sides to the story.

Longer version: this happened during a lunchtime party for my birthday celebrations. The boy in question was with his Dad - who has said nothing about the whole thing - the message came from the Mum, after Dad and son had arrived home but when some of us were still at the party (she hadn't attended the party because she was ill). In other words, she knew that the party was still going on when she sent the message. To me, this indicated a seriousness about the situation that needed immediate attention. But when I looked into it, the banter seemed to amount to being asked to fetch the ketchup. The boy is younger than my son and the other boys. This younger boy has always looked up to my son, but in recent years my son has started to find him a bit annoying and doesn't really enjoy spending time with him anymore, which I think is understandable as kids grow older and chose their own friends. My partner and the Dad are good friends, and so I am friends with the Mum as a result. I find the Mum quite difficult to be friends with, as I find her prone to unnecessary drama and manipulation (although no doubt she doesn't see it that way) but I do my best to make an effort for the sake of the friendship between the Dads. The other two boys at the party are the same age as my son, and also one of them is my son's best friend. Her message said that her son had arrived home in tears due to my son and the others teasing and being mean, and she said that he's struggling and having a hard time right now so doesn't need this. I do feel sorry that her son is struggling in life, but I feel that's a matter for his parents to deal with and not be made to be my concern, or at least not there and then. I don't see why she had to message me during the party, which was meant to be a nice chilled out day but her message effectively spoilt it for me. She's immediately jumped to her son's defence over something that turned out to be not all that serious in the end - and in fact the person doing the most disturbing thing was her own son as he was hitting the others. I can understand that he might have felt left out given that he's younger than the others, that he might not have known how to communicate that he wasn't enjoying the banter, and perhaps also jealous that my son's best friend was there, which could have been unsettling for him as came to realise that he wasn't going to get my son's full attention.

So I'm annoyed with her creating a drama (which is not unusual for her) and that this time she's brought my son's best friend into it. I also happen to be good friends with my son's best friend's Mum, which I suspect she is also jealous of (due to a previous drama last year which I won't go into). So I'm trying to deal with it rationally whilst at the same time feeling very frustrated that children have been brought into a drama that's essentially fuelled by the green eyed monster rather than sensitive parenting.

However, I'm very conscious that she's as good as accused my son and his friends of bullying, which I feel should be taken very seriously. So I want it to be a learning opportunity for my own son, but just not sure how to handle things with her. I hope this all makes sense, and really appreciate some different perspectives to help me figure out how to respond. Thank you!

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Quartz2208 · 22/04/2024 15:34

How old are they and how do they know each other. I assume that he had school friends there and then he was there as a family friend.

Riva5784 · 22/04/2024 15:36

Is this other parent who messaged asking you to do anything specific?

Usernamewassavedsuccessfully · 22/04/2024 15:36

How seriously would you expect her to take it if the roles were reversed?
IME 'banter' is usually code for 'bullying'.

FuzzyWuzzyWuzABear · 22/04/2024 15:38

So the younger boy who the others find annoying, arrived home in tears due to their 'banter', and you didn't expect the mum to message you straight away because it was your party?

Where does the hitting come in? Sorry, I tried to read through but there was so much unnecessary content that even with the TLDR it was difficult.

blacksax · 22/04/2024 15:43

One child's banter is another child's taunting. There is a possibility that he had reached the end of his tether at being on the receiving end of this banter, and resorted to lashing out in frustration (that's not to excuse the hitting by the way).

Was no-one keeping an eye on them? Over-excited kids can sometimes get a bit 'lord of the flies' when left to their own devices.

crumblingschools · 22/04/2024 15:47

How old? And what was the bantering? As others have said 'bantering' can be used as an excuse for something that is actually bullying

Rebusmyfire · 22/04/2024 15:47

I'd be taking the accusation of "a bit mean" seriously because the background you give of your DS not liking this younger child much would have my parenting radar up wondering if the younger child was trying to hang around with them, were they trying to get rid of him or baiting him for a bit of fun?

Whatevershallidowithmylife · 22/04/2024 15:47

Your angel and his wee pals obviously took their ‘banter’ too far but somehow I don’t think you’ll see it that way…….maybe supervise your child better?

CulturalNomad · 22/04/2024 15:49

there was some banter between all of them that they all joined in with and where no-one was singled out, and then that this boy walked off and stopped speaking to them, with no warning signs that he'd stopped enjoying the banter

"Banter" is often code for "teasing" (which is rarely enjoyable for the person being made fun of).

Without knowing the ages of the boys I'd say at the very least your son was likely being insensitive. If you're satisfied with the response you got from your son and you truly don't see any bullying behaviour then I'd just send the boy's mum a quick text saying you discussed the incident with your boy and just leave it at that. Mention that you're sorry her son got upset and resist the temptation to sound defensive. Then let it go.

The rest of this backstory about you and the mom is just a lot of noise and doesn't have any bearing on your child's behaviour.

DiceCat · 22/04/2024 16:08

Quartz2208 · 22/04/2024 15:34

How old are they and how do they know each other. I assume that he had school friends there and then he was there as a family friend.

Three of them (including my son) aged 12, and a 10 year old. Children of varying ages were there, from aged 7 to aged 16. All children were there in the capacity of being the children of my friends. The only one that was a school friend was my son's best friend, who incidentally had his own parents there too.

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DiceCat · 22/04/2024 16:15

blacksax · 22/04/2024 15:43

One child's banter is another child's taunting. There is a possibility that he had reached the end of his tether at being on the receiving end of this banter, and resorted to lashing out in frustration (that's not to excuse the hitting by the way).

Was no-one keeping an eye on them? Over-excited kids can sometimes get a bit 'lord of the flies' when left to their own devices.

Helpful, thank you. He clearly did get to the end of his tether, and perhaps didn't want to be tearful in public so it came out when he got home. He's bound to miss out the fact that he was hitting when telling his own Mum, as he may have got into trouble for that. Wrt to whether anyone was keeping an eye on them, they were sat at a table eating food - there was no running around or obvious over-excitedness. Given their ages (10 and 12) they're old enough not to have an adult hovering over them.

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DiceCat · 22/04/2024 16:18

CulturalNomad · 22/04/2024 15:49

there was some banter between all of them that they all joined in with and where no-one was singled out, and then that this boy walked off and stopped speaking to them, with no warning signs that he'd stopped enjoying the banter

"Banter" is often code for "teasing" (which is rarely enjoyable for the person being made fun of).

Without knowing the ages of the boys I'd say at the very least your son was likely being insensitive. If you're satisfied with the response you got from your son and you truly don't see any bullying behaviour then I'd just send the boy's mum a quick text saying you discussed the incident with your boy and just leave it at that. Mention that you're sorry her son got upset and resist the temptation to sound defensive. Then let it go.

The rest of this backstory about you and the mom is just a lot of noise and doesn't have any bearing on your child's behaviour.

Yes, agreed. Banter sounds like an excuse for being not-very-nice and I'm not suggesting that my son is an innocent angel in this situation.

The reason for the rest of the backstory is that I am trying to work out how much to say to her without getting too drawn in to a stressful drama, which has happened before. So your advice is helpful, thank you.

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WhiteLeopard · 22/04/2024 16:24

I agree - a quick text to the mum saying sorry to hear the boy is upset and you've had a word with your son.

SirChenjins · 22/04/2024 16:26

Having parented 3 teens and have been on both sides I would keep it brief - thank her for letting you know, say that your sorry her son was upset and say that you will speak to your son about it. I would then hammer home to my son that banter at that age is not always welcome, that it can easily stray into bullying territory and if you have any further reports of this nature there will be consequences.

CornishPorsche · 22/04/2024 16:28

Banter is only funny if everyone finds it funny.

The moment it stops being banter and switches to bring mean is when the butt of the joke is not laughing.

See also laughing with someone rather than laughing at them.

Several learning points for your son and any other kids involved on that one.

Janedoe82 · 22/04/2024 16:31

I wouldn't even begin to justify sons behaviour. I would just say 'so sorry xx is upset. I will speak to my son and make it clear that his teasing was upsetting and not to happen again'.
closes the conversation down.

CulturalNomad · 22/04/2024 16:31

am trying to work out how much to say to her without getting too drawn in to a stressful drama

I get it. That's why I'd just acknowledge her concern by telling her you're sorry her son was upset and that you've discussed the situation with your boy and leave it at that.

Once you start making excuses - "well, your son was hitting" it just encourages a back-and-forth that isn't likely to end well.

Twelve year old boys can be breathtakingly insensitive. I remember those years well...😬And it's good to try to stay objective since bullying behaviour definitely rears its ugly head in that age group.

elevens24 · 22/04/2024 16:40

But when I looked into it, the banter seemed to amount to being asked to fetch the ketchup.
^^

What does this mean? Were the older boys using the fact that this child was younger to get him to do things for them?

Sandysandwich · 22/04/2024 16:41

I'd keep it brief with her, something like 'thanks for letting me know, sorry your son was upset I will speak to my son about it'. But then leave it at that.

And then make sure your kid gets that not everybody likes that kind of humour, especially not younger children who may feel ganged up on especially when he looks up to ypur son who had his friend with him. And even if it wasn't his intention to upset anyone the kid did get upset so next time he should think about how he talks to him.

Crapuscular · 22/04/2024 16:58

I'm another one who has a problem with the word 'banter' or 'Bantz.'

Those who dish out the spiteful words tend to call it banter.
Those that receive the banter would call it bullying or teasing.

Geebray · 22/04/2024 17:01

A younger child might hit out at older children because he is hurt and humiliated by their words.

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