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Really don't know what to do here - move schools?

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Shouldistayorshouldigo99 · 28/08/2017 17:53

DS is due to start year 9 next week. He has suffered low level bullying since year 7. He has high functioning ASD, is quirky and different which I guess makes him a natural target. Lucky for him, from day one he became close friends with another boy with SEN in the class and they stick together like glue. This boy also has English as a foreign language & his parents speak very little English. This boy is also being bullied.

As I said, the bullying is subtle and low level - excluding, whispering, name calling, blocking them at the door, taking their stuff, laughing at them. This class seems to have more than their fair share of badly behaved, disruptive pupils. Some of the language that DS has repeated to me is frankly vile.

I have complained on numerous occasions to the class teacher and the year head about both the disruptive behaviour (which is affecting DS's learning) and individual bullying incidents. They have always been very apologetic, acknowledged that this is one of the worst behaved classes in the school and agree to speak to/punish those involved. However, they always refuse to tell me HOW the bullies have been punished, and still it goes on.

I know that DS & his friend have complained themselves to both the class teacher and year head. The class teacher has confirmed this but gave the impression that they were minor, silly incidents, e.g. "Harry told me to shut up miss". (I do know, however, they reported to her one incident where a boy took DS's pen and shoved down his trousers, giving it a good rub before handing it back - hardly minor!) She also said there are a lot of very confident, mature kids in the class and that DS & friend don't fit in, hence the exclusion. She admitted there were other classes they might fit in better. I do think though she perceives them as a pair of immature tell tales who need to grow a pair!

I eventually got the year head to agree to move DS to another class. However, DS said he did not want to move without his friend as it would be unfair to leave him to face the bullies alone. School refused, so they stayed.

I have just been contacted by a relative of DS's friend. She says that he is terrified about returning to school as he can't take the bullying anymore. It transpires that, as well as the low level stuff, he has received anonymous texts telling him to kill himself, racism and was physically attacked just before the holidays. DS says he has not experienced anything like this and that his friend is the main target - they bully DS for associating with him.

The relative has asked on behalf of the parents that we form a united front and tackle the school together to which I have agreed. The parents have also complained about the bullying and requested a class move. School either don't respond to them at all or just give them lip service & do nothing!

We have considered moving DS to another school as have his friend's parents. However, I'm concerned it could be out of the frying pan and into the fire as the bullying may follow them, being vulnerable, SEN kids. This school does have a wonderful SEN department & a safe room they can go to at lunchtime which has become their lifeline. However, I know of a number of children who have left this school over the last year or so due to their complete failure to deal with bullying effectively. They have gone to another local school which I previously would not touch with a barge pole. However, they now have a super head in place who has transformed the place while DS's school is sliding downhill. Apparently, the kids are so glad they moved, although I do not know them personally.

So, I'm due to meet with the other family this week to put a plan together. I'm thinking of requesting again that both boys are moved to another class. If the answer is no I'm wondering if we should keep them away until they agree. DS's attendance is already quite poor as we had a period of school refusal when things were really bad. Admittedly, it wasn't just bullying, he was struggling with the work and general school stress e.g. fear of getting sanctioned for poor work.

Would be grateful for any advice as I'm really at a loss here.

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BathshebaOak1 · 28/08/2017 17:58

However, I know of a number of children who have left this school over the last year or so due to their complete failure to deal with bullying effectively. They have gone to another local school which I previously would not touch with a barge pole. However, they now have a super head in place who has transformed the place while DS's school is sliding downhill. Apparently, the kids are so glad they moved, although I do not know them personally.

I would strongly consider moving to the other school based on what you've said.

Shouldistayorshouldigo99 · 28/08/2017 18:07

Yes, am seriously considering it. What holds me back is the marvellous SEN support at the current school. I don't know these other kids but afaik they are not ADD or SEN. I need to be sure the new school could provide this.

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Tweennightmare · 28/08/2017 18:07

Well I can only speak from my own experience but my DD went through the same low level bullying . As I watched her confidence dwindle to zero it was a no brainier pulling her out of the school. We moved schools and it was the best thing we could have ever done . She is a different child much more confident and doing great academically. I am amazed the friends parents are still considering sending their DS back to school sounds horrendous what their DS is going through. I think you have to make your decision purely in isolation for what is best for your son not necessarily what is best for both of the boys.

Shouldistayorshouldigo99 · 28/08/2017 18:07

ASD not ADD!

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yawning801 · 28/08/2017 18:14

I would see what the SEN is like at the other school before making some rash decisions. I'd also see what the friend's parents think about that school and whether tackling current school would be effective. I was a victim of low-level bullying ever since Year 6, also through association mainly. My school did precisely nothing but we didn't have the opportunity to move schools - their attitude was "grin and bear it..." (which I did) "...or go away." Looking back on it, we should have kicked up a bigger fuss as it wasn't just me and it knocked my confidence and even now I'm not confident and my self-esteem is nil.

Shouldistayorshouldigo99 · 28/08/2017 18:43

Other parents are not thrilled at the prospect of the other school, think they're still going by its past reputation and the fact that they're worried the bullies will have friends there (it's very close). I am a bit too. They have suggested another school much further away which apparently has zero tolerance of bullying. I'm not keen, not least as I have another DC in the school who, touch wood, is fine. However, DC2 is outgoing, sporty and a little naughty so I guess "fits in" perfectly!

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youarenotkiddingme · 28/08/2017 19:30

I'd say move him.

My ds also has ASD and was at a school who pretended to deal with bullying but didn't.
In the end they started bullying me to get me to shut up whilst my ds got more and more anxious.
2 weeks after they suggested I move ds of insider trust them (after I asked them how they were going to deal with it because this boy pinned ds against a wall) the lad pulled a knife on ds in class Shock

A year on he is a different boy and although still struggles due to asd and is a natural victim (iyswim?) the school deal with it quickly and effectively.

My advice is find a school who when you ask how they deal with bullying - tell you. Avoid any school that pretends it doesn't exist.

Shouldistayorshouldigo99 · 30/08/2017 18:08

So it's worse than I thought. DS's friend's family member has forwarded me a copy of a HUGE email that she sent to the year head in APRIL that went unanswered. It was definitely received as the boy was asked who had sent it! I'm sat here in tears for the poor kid - the email gives specific details of physical & physcological bullying, racism & victim blaming. Due to the family's language barrier some of it is a bit disjointed but the facts are there - children have been named and there are even screenshots of abusive Instagram messages. I don't wish to be critical of the family but why the fuck is he still in the school? My son has got off lightly in comparison, he has "only" the low level bullying and seems to be bullied by association with this boy. Lucky for his friend he's so loyal!

I'm meeting with the parents in a few days to formulate a plan but right now I want to storm into school and rip into them I'm so angry. I desperately want to help this boy and his family as I feel they are vulnerable but how involved do I get? (although fair to say my son is suffering too, albeit to a lesser degree).

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Shouldistayorshouldigo99 · 30/08/2017 18:09

Sorry I'm the OP - used wrong name!

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BathshebaOak1 · 30/08/2017 18:28

That's awful. Did the parents not follow ot up?

Shouldistayorshouldigo99 · 30/08/2017 18:57

It would appear not. I am seeking clarification as to whether they got ANY response. I am incredulous that school would ignore an email with such serious content. As I said, parents English is poor hence involving relative whose is better but not perfect! I really think they need help. School DO generally reply to me, even though they don't give the right answers! The email add used was correct so no reason why it wasn't received.....

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Shouldistayorshouldigo99 · 31/08/2017 16:46

Relative has confirmed 100% no acknowledgement from school at all. Am rather surprised parents didn't chase school although, as I said, English is limited. I also suspect MH/social issues which is why the relative has stepped in to try and sort things out. Poor lad, my heart is breaking for him and I want to help him along with my own DS. Just need to work out how best to do so. Any advice at all gratefully received.

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GreenTulips · 01/09/2017 00:57

You need
Anti bullying policy (usually crap)
Complaints procedure (worth reading)
Behavior policy

Read it, quote it, take it with you into school.

Ask to speak to the school governors (effective) and the community policy officer (racial abuse is illegal and should be dealt with via the police)

The community police officers don't criminalize children but they do step up and tell them the law and how they should be dealt with

With this - insist they move both boys to a different class which must not mix with the other class (we have bands)

Don't get angry - it won't help - step back - DS says DS feels is the way forward

Follow up the meeting we 'further to our meeting today where we discussed X and younconformed Y would happen etc

Good luck

Shouldistayorshouldigo99 · 02/09/2017 11:19

Thank you. Anti bullying policy is crap & very vague! Says will only inform parents if "serious". All bullying is serious imoConfused

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CookieDoughKid · 02/09/2017 11:31

I'd be quietly guns a blazing and writing letters to every body involved with the school
Governors headteacher ofsted. Ido be taking it to the press,police, twitter whatever. You can't deal with this kind of thing quietly. Schools respond to who shouts the loudest and I'd be a very difficult parent to compromise and deal with. Go guns a blazing or leave. In my experience you won't get taken seriously if you don't complain hard.

Shouldistayorshouldigo99 · 04/09/2017 07:06

Other family & I have put together a letter for the head which I will be hand delivering today & emailing (training day). We've attached copies of emails we've sent over the last 2 years complaining about the bullying and have said we want them moved immediately (tomorrow!) as we don't feel they're safe in their current form.

Wish us luck.......

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Kaffiene · 04/09/2017 07:18

OP The school clearly don't have a brilliant SEN department. A brilliant SEN department would be suporting these children and not letting them get bullied!! A school with a brilliant SEN department doesn't ignore things like this.
I would go and visit the other school as a priority. See what the whole school ethos is like. A child can't learn unless they feel safe and secure no matter how good a department looks on paper.
You can go with the formal complaint with the current school but as a teacher and the parent of a child with SEN even if they go through the motions of saying they will sort things clearly they don't see it as a priority. They will be doing things by the book rather than because they care. Good luck.

christinarossetti · 04/09/2017 07:20

This sounds horrendous.

Are there places for both boys in the other school? Someone else may be able to help you more, but I do know that there is something called an inter school agreement whereby children can be moved to a different school regardless of available places, if their current school isn't meeting their needs.

Shouldistayorshouldigo99 · 04/09/2017 10:03

Hmmm, well the other family don't think the SEN dept are all that. I do have a lot of contact with them and have managed to get a lot of extra help for my son that it transpires their's doesn't get despite possibly being even more in need - they haven't/couldn't pushed school as I have done due to their language/other issues. SENCO only found out about bullying recently after I told her. Year Head had never told her (it was he I had complained to).

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GreenTulips · 04/09/2017 10:46

They are lucky to have you rooting for their son, pity the school lacks action

I'm glad you are being proactive and hopefully he'll be on the phone very quickly.

Shouldistayorshouldigo99 · 04/09/2017 16:00

So school have agreed they can move form. They're going to give us the options over the next couple of days. So it's a start but I will be closely monitoring the situation. I did call the other school - they need to check re spaces as they've been inundated with enquiries today (including a number wanting to move from DS's existing school). Interesting......

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GreenTulips · 04/09/2017 16:04

I'm so pleased - I how they put them together and get a decent form tuter in place. Plus a 'go to' member of staff

Keep a log of all incidents and ask that the other boy informs you too so you can keep his parents informed - sadly so many kids think this is 'normal' and don't tend to speak out

Good for you

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