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No wonder women in our culture find BF difficult, when children are taught that cows "Eat grass and turn it into milk" FFS...

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BertieBotts · 10/03/2010 22:01

DS was watching something on CBeebies the other day, (I can't remember what it was, TBH) and they were talking about farm animals, and said "Cows eat grass, and turn it into milk!" - is it any wonder that women find it difficult to breastfeed, when this is what we learn about milk production (albeit in a different mammal, but really, it's not that different in reality) during childhood?

And before you write it off as a silly comment in a TV programme - it made me think, and I distinctly remember my form tutor in year 8 telling someone off for calling another girl a cow, saying "I don't know why people think 'cow' is an insult anyway. Cows are very intelligent. They stand around in a field all day and turn grass into milk. Can you do that?" and I remember finding this very insightful at the time despite knowing that mammals feed their young, presumably I knew that they did so with milk, and having been breastfed myself and seen my mum breastfeed my younger sister.

In fact I remember being quite surprised to learn in my teens that cows don't produce milk all the time, and that they are fairly constantly pregnant and have the calves taken off them soon after the birth so that they can be milked. Again, I'm not sure why since I knew that cats, pigs, sheep etc produced milk to feed their young and not at other times. And I am/was not thick, honest

Is it any wonder that we have so many myths floating around about "having to drink milk to make milk" and the like?

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ImSoNotTelling · 11/03/2010 16:59

ROFL @ thread grinding to a halt on addition of highbrow poetry for us all to read

hatwoman · 11/03/2010 18:17

i know . don;t know what came over me. not even a big poetry reader but I remember reading that one not long after dd was born and being very struck by it. esp the cow and cat references...

ImSoNotTelling · 11/03/2010 19:48

Oh I dunno I quite like it...

[philistine emoticon]

MrsTittleMouse · 11/03/2010 19:57

I went to a farm when DD2 was little. DD1 loved the pig and all her little piglets. They were scrambling to get to the milk but she was very firmly lying on her stomach to thwart them. Both my girls have been very keen breastfeeders, and I have to say that I felt a kind of kinship.

My Dad told me once that I should be eating lots of calories because I was a milch cow and then was very embarrassed and apologised in case I was offended. I didn't mind that much, especially as he was proffering lots of food - which is why he had made the comment. Just like SPB, I eat cake, and I make milk.

shallishanti · 11/03/2010 20:01

I had a friend who was a bfc, she always used to say don't think of yourself as a cow think of yourself as a tiger/otter/gazelle whatever mammal takes your fancy
I tend to think that it's our forgetting that we are in fact animals that creates some of the problems around BF
(drags thread away from Plath and towards Darwin)

StealthPolarBear · 11/03/2010 20:03

DH saves his mooing for when I'm expressing
Yes, thanks to people who've explained, I suppose the key thing is that cows aren't milk machines, they are mammals, and like all mammals they make milk for their young. Grass just happens to be what they eat. I do actally get it now, not firing on all cylinders today

assumetheposition · 11/03/2010 20:03

barrel of laughs isn't she

I too think sow a far more accurate comparison (although suckling pig is probably not the image you want for you newborn).

The only time I felt faintly bovine was when I attempted the electronic breast pump - and ditched it fairly quickly.

Cows eat grass and make milk - I eat chocolate brownies and make milk. I don't have an issue with it.

DS1 did ask if I could make different flavours for DS2. I think he thought I had milk in one and juice in the other

StealthPolarBear · 11/03/2010 20:06

I often look at DD and think she looks like a piglet, not her face, she's beautiful, but the way she wriggles up to me in bed Never look in the mirror though - if I'm feeding a piglet, what does that make me...

Laugs · 11/03/2010 20:12

assumetheposition

My 3 yr old DD calls it 'milking' when I feed DS. The other day she was BFing some cuddly toy up under her t-shirt and said 'Oh, I forgot the milk', picked up a bucket, poured it onto her chest, and got back to it

MrsTittleMouse · 11/03/2010 21:00

My DD1 was convinced that it was raspberry milk, based on the appearance of my nipples - I am very pale-skinned. Mind you, she's never had milk shake of any kind, so it's more bizarre that she has the concept of flavoured milk at all.

willowstar · 11/03/2010 21:10

my granny (87) who has been married all her life to a dairy farmer told me that other day how she breastfed my mum until she was 11 months and could start her on 'real milk' !

pointylog · 11/03/2010 21:17

yabu. I doubnt there is any correlation between people making rather daft statmenets about cows and some women finding bf difficult

usualsuspect · 11/03/2010 21:20

I'm can't see the connection really ....

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