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Introduction of formula top-ups - kiss of death for breastfeeding?

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mears · 18/06/2005 15:02

I have been on mumsnet for a number of years now and although many Mnetters have successfully combined breast and bottle, I have noticed that the vast majority of mums who do it end up exclusively formula feeding.

I just wondered how formula top-up end up being introduced. It is always on professionals' advice? Do mums buy formula 'just in case' or do they end up finding a 24 hour supermarket in the middle of the night through desperation.

When I trained as a midwife mums were given a tin of formula home just incase they needed it. That was shown to seriously undermine breastfeeding and was stopped.

I read often of babies being offered formula after a breastfeed and baby 'wolfing it down'. They will. A baby stuffed with breastmilk will always drink formula when offered (when they take a teat that is) because it is something different. It is the same as us suddenly finding room after the maincourse when a sweet arrives. We don't necessarily need it because we are hungry - we make room for it because it is different.

I think it is so sad when women introduce formula because they feel their supply is anadequate. More ofetn that not there is nothing wrong with milk supply. Yes there are times when formula is needed to help mums and babies through a crisis but steps need to be taken early on to improve milk supply. Poor positioning, low milk supply and painful nipples go hand in hand. The cure is not formula - the cure is correcting the latch which will mean that the baby gets more milk and stimulated better milk production.

There is a myth that women have less milk in the evenings. That is not true. Babies tend to cluster feed in the evening because they like it. Mums are usually tired by this time of the day and 'feel' they have no milk. That is the time that partners, friends family can play a part by giving mum a break. Also womrn should try to go to bed earlier but they don't. Especially when you have toddlers throughout the day, you relish some hours of peace at night. However, early nights for those few early weeks could help prevent the build up of sleep deprivation so often described.

My philosophy was always if baby was crying, had a clean nappy, give them the breast. No timing, no clock watching. If I had other things to do then DH was handed baby if he was there. If not, babe got 'shoogled' in a pram. My 4th baby hardly ever got an uninterrupted feed. She got one boob, popped in a car seat to take brothers to nursery, play group etc. When I had time she got the other side. What a difference to my first baby who was permanently latched. No time for that when you are running around after a toddler. However, in the evening when toddlers were in bed I sat with babe latched while watching my favourite telly programmes.

I don't know the answer. I think the main problem is lack of confidence in our own body's ability. You can't knit that. It takes time but unfortunately the introduction of formula can be the kiss of death.

Sorry for this long post - was just thinking about it all as i did the ironing. Have slipped up this week and let the washing pile up. Need to get back on track...

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berolina · 19/06/2005 08:58

ALOHA!! sorry!! forgot to mention you - thanks for all advice

Fran1 · 19/06/2005 09:05

Great post mears, i agree with it.

Just wanted to add though it can be done for us working mums! I bf my dd, she had ebm in bottles until 6mths when i stopped expressing and she had formula when i was at work.

We only just stopped breastfeeding recently when she turned two!

I think the difference was i wasn't trying to "top up a hungry baby". Bottles were just a substitute for when i wasn't around.

fruitful · 19/06/2005 15:01

I have to say I was sooo determined to bf this time; I was absolutely pigheaded about it in hospital - ds had "no formula" written all over his NICU cot (he was tubefed ebm). I overheard some midwives referring to me as "the woman who wants to breastfeed". Which I thought was dreadfully sad - should be the norm! I was in hospital for 2 weeks so lots of other women came and went in that time, and every one but one gave a formula top-up. The staff seemed to be encouraging it as a first resort for any problem - baby too big, its hungry, or baby too small, its sleepy. Awful. You shouldn't have to be pigheaded to breastfeed!

And then I had to eat my words when I started topping-up at 7 weeks. Dh was quietly amused but didn't say anything, bless him. I am now a happy bottlefeeder but I am still very militant about the whole thing - women should be able to make an informed choice, and they should be helped to delay making the decision until they are not tired and hormonal!

ricecake · 19/06/2005 16:18

My DS will be a year old next Saturday (25th June) and has never ever been given a drop of formula, although DH suggested several times along the way especially in the first few months mainly because baby used to cry alot in the evenings (as most babies do) and not sleep for more than 2 hours at a time.

DH thought that formula at night would fill baby up so that we could all sleep a bit more. But I had read that this would be a disaster to mother's milk supply plus newborns shouldn't go for more than 4 hours without breastmilk at any time. So I just refused despite the fact that I could barely function with lack of sleep. All I did in the first 3 months was breastfeed in front of the TV or in bed, I never cooked, cleaned, etc, because nothing seemed more important than my baby's breastmilk. After 3 months baby seemed to develop a schedule of his own, so fed more efficiently at the breast and slept a bit better, without any need for formula. Most importantly, he had doubled his birth weight (from just over 3 kils to just over 6 kilos) in under 4 months, so I knew we were doing it right !

My DH thinks I am the most stubborn old goat in the world, but knows that I was right to refuse formula, he just won't admit it !!

I am now going for the 2nd year of breastfeeding because both baby and I love it. Who says you look into a baby's ear when breastfeeding ?? If you are then baby isn't latched on properly. He should be slightly under the breast for a proper latch, i.e. looking up. Even when he was tiny we used to look into each other's eyes. In fact did you know that a new born only has an eye sight range almost equivalnet to the distance between his face and mother's face when breastfeeding ? That can't be coincidence now can it ? Doesn't it have something to do with mother nature ?

I now have my mother to contend with who used to say that 6 months BF was enough. She knew I wasn't goig to stop there. So since 6 months ago she has been suggesting that 1 year is enough. She keeps telling me my baby is developing skinny arms and legs (but compared to whom I say - she compares my baby to my sister's last baby who was a huge 5 kilos at birth and only breastfed by my sister for the first 3 months because my sister thought that she would "starve" such a big baby if she continued exclusive breastfeeding for longer

So I feel immense pride that I have ignored my family (and so called health advisers) on this matter and that I will only stop when baby wants to stop be that in a couple of weeks or when he is 5 years old !!

Oh and on the self-weaning side ? It is a well-known breastfeeding "myth" that babies self-wean under 1 year old. According to studies it is extremely rare for a baby under 1 to self-wean. He will only do it if directed by the parents to do so.

muppety · 19/06/2005 17:18

I introduced formula at 3m with ds1 and mixed fed successfully until 6 months. Stopped as was not enjoying it, not due to milk supply.

ds 2 5 weeks old and having 1 bottle formula a day. Started because I really do not enjoy bfeeding. Only doing it because its the best for him tbh. If it is the death of feeding, its only because secretly I want to stop. Feel so guiilty that I should feed for same time as with ds1.

I don't want to hate it but it does not feel natural to me, which makes me really sad.

chatee · 19/06/2005 17:54

thanks to all your good advice in previous posts mears- i am still b/feeding my ds who is 16 months old this week....he generally has 4 feeds in 24 hours and i am so proud of our achievement.we did try to feed him ebm in a bottle on numerous occasions and generally he just messed around with it as for cows milk he looks at me disgustedly and says "me booby"- have managed on numerous occasions when out to persuade friends he is saying " me baby" but the other night when having a meal in the pub with all our family, i happened to scratch my boob and that was enough to start my little man off screaching as loud as possible " me booby..me booby" my mum actually wet herself laughing at him screaching and me explaining to others he was really saying me baby!!!
sorry didn't mean to waffle but it was funny-if you can imagine a very small quiet quaint village pub!!!!!!

Eeek · 19/06/2005 18:50

It doesn't have to be the kiss of death. After huge bf problems I gave up at 6 weeks and went completely to bottle. Then regretted it and after some good advice reintroduced the breast 8 days later. Kept on bf gradually reducing the amount of formula offered until we were eventually exclusively bf. That lasted till he shooed me away at 18months.

popsycal · 19/06/2005 20:29

It really annoys me how our jaundiced babies 'had' to be formula fed.....
grrrrr

Orinoco · 19/06/2005 21:11

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lunachic · 19/06/2005 21:25

good post mears think its good for new mums who are trying to breast feed to know that the first week or two can be difficult ,that the baby probably will lose a little weight before it starts gaining and that a lot of health visitors will push formula. if you want to breastfeed stand your ground -i did and it was worth the perseverance

vicdubya · 19/06/2005 21:37

I don't understand about the jaundiced babies having to be formula fed advice???

Ds was jaundiced (not so bad that he needed to go back in to hospital, but he was kept an eye on for a few days) and no-one ever suggested I not BF him. The main advice I was given was keep him in the natural light as much as possible, don;t shut him away in a darkened room for naps etc!

chipmonkey · 20/06/2005 02:30

Mears, I live in Ireland but seems to be much the same as the UK! Ds3 was 8 weeks prem and I feel that, if I had not said he was to receive EBM no-one would have brought the topic up. Whilst I bf him in the SCBU, midwives thought he was "amazing" for latching on correctly at 33weeks. I knew he was getting milk from me but they still insisted on him being given the same amount of EBM as if I had not fed him, in a bottle. He couldn't manage it as he was full from the breastfeed so I had to surreptitiously slip it down the sink. There were several Indian members of staff and they were MUCH more encouraging. They told me to exclusively bf once I got home but the Irish MW's said he would have to be topped up. I listened to the Indians, thank goodness and have never looked back except that now ds doesn't like bottles much!

Pruni · 20/06/2005 14:33

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popsycal · 20/06/2005 18:07

with jaundice, dehydration makes it worse.....so for BF babies, they only get colosturm in the early daysl.....and people panic if they are badly jaundiced as my ds1 was
thats why some people push formula

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