I found this-effects of pain relief in labour,on breastfeeding...

[busyalexsmummy]

very intresting and true with my ds after having had an epidural

have a look at this

oh FFS, another 'you are a terrible person if you choose an elective CS or ANY type of analgesia' article.

ARRRGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

also all those studies on epidurals IRCC do a roundup based on the old-style epidurals which many hospitals don't use.

DD1: I had an epidural, deeply shitty birth, didn't want to hold the baby, and breastfed no problem. DD2: home birth in water, breastfed no problem.

'gentle birth' oxymoron IMO!

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I had quite a negative reaction to this, sorry. Glad you found it interesting.

I recently wrote an article on different birth options and how they are likely to affect the baby and only pethedine seemed likely and that not terribly frequently. Even the increase in instrumental birth after epidural (which yes did happen to me) isn't that great.

Oh and my second baby, the dippyhippywaterbirth one, was in her father's arms for a good half hour after I'd produced her, while I was expelling the placenta and being stitched up - and she attached, gorged herself, chucked up and stayed latched onto my bosoms for what seemed like the next six weeks.

Which I know is only one example and not necessarily statistically representative BUT...

I would have thought that the only real likelihoods are pethedine and an elective C-section (after which I think the milk takes slightly longer to come in); and those are certainly not universal, as plenty of MNers can testify.

sorry that wasn't meant as a personal snipe, btw, any of it

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No, I'm afraid I didn't (it wasn't in my job description, guv). I know I was told first time round not to take ibrubrofen.

To be honest, I think I would have ignored any rules certainly first time round. Ouch, shudder, flashback.

I had a CS (with no previous contractions) for DS1 - he latched on beautifully and stayed there for the next 4 months (so beat your MI ), milk came in thick and fast and fed him until he was 14 months old.

Re - -drugs afterwards - I was high on morphine for 2 days afterwards - and that didn't affect things either

Just to add to this thread, DS2 was induced and although I was fine with gas and air in the beginning, by the time the drip was introduced I was starting to feel a bit desperate. They told me at 3.30 I'd be in labour for another 4 or 5 hours, so I asked for pethadine. Now this takes a good 20 minutes to work and they gave it to me at about 3.45..........DS was born at 4.10 fast asleep. He wouldn't latch on in the hospital, and when we got home later that evening he fell asleep for another 14 hours. So is the point of this that drugs ruined BFing between me and DS2? No, as when he finally woke he latched on and fed with no problems at all! (I quite enjoyed the nights sleep too, even if I did keep checking on him throughout the night )

Pruni, the drugs they offer after childbirth are ones that don't go into the milk. Ok, morphine does, but codeine, voltrol and paracetamol, which are what I was given after each cs, don't.

This sort of article is quite depressing for those of us who've not been able to have natural births. For a cesarean, it seems that an epidural is inevitable.

I did find breastfeeding easier after my elective, than after my (not-very-)emergency. But then, the emergency cs went better, and was my second baby, so breastfeeding was easier, generally.

Oh, it's one of those articles from the lunatic fringe of US alternative midwifery. Sigh.
No science, no references....

I had epidural, syntocinon, C-section, morphine ... the works, with DS ... he latched on like a pro ...
I had an induction, several 'sweeps', spinal block and c-s followed by iv morphine then tramadol for 2 weeks with DD and she latched on like a pro ... milk came in on day 3 ... breastfed her BRILLIANTLY for nearly 10 months ...