Very very windy 13 week old !! HELP !!

[jackie21]

Hi everyone....my little baby girl is 13 weeks and from birth she has always been a very windy baby !! The poor soul has very had a sound sleep from birth, in her naps during the day she sleeps for approx 30mins to an hour max and starts squirming and twitching with wind. For example this morning she went down at 9.30am and its now 11am and i have been up 4 times already and each time i am winding her I have had a burp everytime. I try an do it for as long as possible AFTER i get that initial burp but nothing else follows, then i put her back down and she will fall straight asleep again then will be up again with more wind.

My LO is on Cow & Gate and we have used anti-colic tommie tippey bottles since she was 4 weeks old. After i feed her i spent most of the time winding her, I have tried all different positions and lie her down kicking on her mat for a while then pick her back up and get more wind then lie her back down again then pick her back up after a while. I just seems like all i do is wind !!

I have tried Infacol, Dentinox and Gripe Water (not all at once of course) she is on Infacol just now, it does help get the big burps up whilst feeding but there is ALWAYS more !!

Its really getting me down now because I can never just relax when she is down for a nap because I know I am going to have to get up soon and go up and wind her.

Night time is the worst, I cant really complain because she sleeps from 9-10pm to 7-8am but I am always up during the night with her, most of the time she sleeps through it herself at night but I cant ! All i can hear is her grunting and squirming with wind, she must get so annoyed not getting a sound sleep herself !!

She doesnt need a dummy to fall asleep so its not that. I spoke to my doctor the other day and he says theres nothing at all they can do and its compeltely normal !! I dont think its normal, could something be wrong with her?

I am so tired and just want to make my LO comfortable when she sleeps, please any suggestions would be a great help.

Jackie

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Jackie - my DS2 (13 weeks) is a windy little fella too. But he was really suffering with trapped wind (uncomfortable to screaming in pain) in the first few weeks of life, so we started taking him to a cranial osteopath and its helped massively. I'd definitely recommend it. He's still incredibly windy but a little bit of burping or tummy massage (always in clockwise direction) now sorts him out really quickly. It also helps feeding him before he gets too ravenous (so he's not screaming for food - as the screaming makes the wind worse if you see what I mean) as if he feeds when he's calm, he's less windy afterwards. He's now really peaceful when he sleeps - though does occasionally kick up his legs to let out an almighty fart, so definitely worth trying out a cranial osteopath.

My son had colic and I'm afraid I found it hard to wind him it would take me hours and he would need winding again after 30 mins but my dp and most other men were able to wind in about 10 mins I suspect they were being more forceful.
sorry can't be of much more help.

hi, I looked into a cranial osteopath there and there is a clinic only 11miles away. How does it work with going to one, do I need to book it through my doctor or can i just phone them? Would I have to pay for it or is it on the NHS ?

hi, I looked into a cranial osteopath there and there is a clinic only 11miles away. How does it work with going to one, do I need to book it through my doctor or can i just phone them? Would I have to pay for it or is it on the NHS ?

I called directly and had to pay for it. May be worth seeing if your gp would refer you (they dont round here) to get treatment as then will be on nhs.

dont think my doctor wil refer me becaue when i saw him the other day and told him, he said there was nothing that could be done and just need to wait till she is older and able to bring all her burps up herself. How much did it cost you if you dont mind me asking ?

I go to the Osteopathic centre for children in london its a charity and you pay what you can afford - that said the cost of providing treatment to the charity is £40 so that is what I pay per session. Apparently the British school of osteopathy also runs a baby clinic which is cheap too. I've seen cranial osteopath sessions advertised for between £30 and £70.

could you explain what the treatment actually is cause doesnt really go into detail about it on the site i am on

Essentially the cranial osteopath manipulates the baby's body to sort out any problems they have - but does it really gently. It looks like they arent doing anything much - just holding their head or their body somewhere but it does the trick. I've had it done on me (had pelvic problems after having DS1) and it sorted me out brilliantly - was rather sceptical beforehand. In DS2's case, his abdomen area was traumatised from the birth because he had the umbilical cord wrapped around his neck when he was born and that area got tugged abit in delivery - you can tell when he has wind as his belly button (normally an inny) flips right out - and the cranial osteopaths have worked on bringing his diaphragm back down into alignment which has helpd with the wind issues.

ooo am so annoyed

I phoned that cranial osteopath clinic and had a good chat with them and it sounds really great and to be honest my last option i have. I told the woman i would call her back cause i had to speak to my DP about it first just to make sure it was OK. Called him at work and explained everything to him and he was like 'i dont really know, best speak to your sister' (he works for my sisters company)' so spoke to my sister and she said there was no point as she will be going onto solids in 3months so the wind problem should go away by then! So of course my DP agreed with this !!

I dont understand why they wont let me give it a try !! if it doesnt work then far enough !!

Jackie - explain to your DH that 3 months of having to deal with it 24/7 mostly by yourself will be bloody hard work - both for you and DP but also for your daughter; you're feeling pretty pressed now at 3 months in and desperate to try to help your little one get more comfortable. Why should she go through 3 more months of obvious discomfort if you can do something to help her? Put that way hopefully he'll come round.

Some people can be pretty sceptical of "alternative" treatments especially if they've never used them themselves - like I said, if I hadnt had treatment by a cranial osteopath am sure I'd be a bit hmm about it too.

Hi there. Just wanted to say that, although my dc's didn't do the cranial osteopathy I have only heard great things about it and I would have done it, particularly with DD (also v windy and v screamy!) if I'd known about it at the time.

Also, what has it got to do with your sister? Surely it's your and your dp's decision. Perhaps she can come round and wind DD for 3 those 3 mths day and night until solids arrive.

Have you tried different bottles or trying a diff milk (can't you get Cow abnd Gate Comfort, I think I've seen that)? I BF but have heard that diff bottles/milks have diff effects - perhaps someone who FF's more could answer that?

I really hope this sorts out for you soon.

Ive tried, as a result we are now not talking, he says 'shes not that bad, what so you have to get up and wind her during the night, you should thank yourself lucky she sleeps through the night'.

Fair enough apart from the wind problem she is a brilliant baby but i really have had enough, i just cant deal with this !! When your baby sleeps thats supposed to time for you to relax and get things done, but no I am always on up and down, up and down !!

Now that were not talking he thinks its because i have not got my own way !! Its not about getting my own way, I search the internet all day looking for methods and tips on how to help her, he doesnt. I just cant deal with this, I just want to leave !! We have never argued this much since Jessica came along !! I just dont know what to do !!

Jackie - sounds like you are doing everything you can for your little girl, and I hope you can get your partner to see that. Your sister, if you don't mind my saying, should have nothing to do with the decisions you take for your baby's health.

Have you tried baby massage? It can really help with wind IME.

There are some videos of how to do it on Youtube.

When my DD was small (she is 6 now) it really helped her to be carried around upright in a sling.

Good luck and I hope you find a solution soon.

Jackie - take a deep breath hon. You're incredibly stressed as you're having to deal with a lovely little baby you adore who is having problems with wind - you've tried what your GP can advise to help and its not working. Its no wonder you're desperate and feeling on the edge - but ending up feeling angry and exasperated with DP wont help you any.

Let things blow over with your DP tonight and then put down on paper - so you can discuss rationally with him - why you'd like to try the cranial osteopathy and try to speak to him about it at the weekend. Also get him to deal with DD through the nights this weekend so he gets an idea of how unbelievably draining it can be. Get some success stories off mumsnet (start a thread about it - I'd definitely post on it for you) for him to read about how it helped with baby's colic etc.

If that doesnt work, suggest you work it so its one night on one night off looking after your DD at nights - so at least you get a break from worrying about her all night. Whoever is off gets to sleep in another room or on a sofa to get a full night's sleep will make life abit easier to deal with all round if the worry and sleepless nights are shared.

Thats a really good idea about starting the thread, at least i will have something to show him, people that have tried this method and the success that followed. I will start that right now and if you woudnt mind posting that would be great.

We do have a spare room in the house and sometimes when it gets to much I ask him if he woudnt mind watching her, the thing is that he can sleep through her squirming and twitching, DD doesnt actually cry during the night, shes still in her moses basket and at night it sounds like she is about to jump out the basket with her violent twitching. It eventually gets too much for her and she wakes up with it and needs winded. Ive tried to sleep through it but i cant, we even tried me sleeping on the other side of the bed so that DD is next to him but i can still hear her every movement !!

I am just going to have an early night tonight, and hopefully i will be able to sort things out over the weekend, its not good for our DD if there is tension between us !!

Thanks dinky for your help

Carrying your lo in a sling a lot can help. It means the tummy is constantly massaged and cuts down on the wind.
Have you tried winding your baby by sitting her up (normal seated position on your knee). Support her back and back of neck with one hand and chest up to base of neck with other, using tips of fingers to keep her head up. Someone showed me this and it worked instantly. Problem was solved! Worth giving it a go!

I haven't read all posts in full but have you tried Infant Gaviscon? My LO was exactly like this and it worked a treat after just 2 or 3 doses. Good luck! ps - you are very lucky to have a baby that sleeps through the night so early!!

Cant believe it, after i wrote my last post i nipped down to the shop. DP was feeding our LO at the time, when i came back he asked me why i was speaking to people on the internet about him, people i dont even know. I cant believe he would read it, hes not normally the nosey type and i told him i was on MN and talking to people !!

My sister called today suprise suprise, DP obviously called her once i was in bed. Got told to buy some ear plugs for the night time as cause my LO is not actually waking up for wind then he obviously can sleep through it. And even though i would have earplugs in i would still be able to hear her if she really needed up !! And I am only doing this form my benefit so i dont need to go up all the time and wind her, in a way that is true but its also for my LO aswell to make her comfortable and she is not comfortable, a mother can tell this !

Regarding the Cranial Oestopathy I have been told to research it more, like success rates etc, speak to my doctor/midwife. I was in bed quiet early last night and if DP was that interested in helping me then he wcould have quite easily have sat on the internet and looked more into it, but no he watched a film !! Typical. Sister says it is my job to research everything then come back to DP showing him all my information !!

I just dont know what to do, I am trying to do everything I can, I really dont think i am cut out for this parenting business, was too young to be pregnant, stil had a full life ahead of me, never really liked babies even to be begin with !!

Now my age is coming back to bite me in the but since my DP and sister are both 30 they think they are so much more mature than me and able to tell me what to do !!!!

I could just scream !!!

EARPLUG????

Oh dear, they really are not being very supportive of your role as mother, are they.

You need to talk to your DP, tell him how undermining it is to have him phoning your sister and (what sounds to me like) pulling rank over your age. You sound perfectly mature to me and very dedicated and concerned for your DD . Maybe ask your DP if he would like to look on the web with you for more info about cranial osteopathy/baby massage?

Your DP obviousy thinks you are mature enough to be his partner and a mother to his child and frankly its an insult for him to try and undermine that when you have genuine concerns for your LO.

As for not being cut out for parenting - you sound like you are a great mum. You want your LO to be comfortable - as would any parent. Earplugs may help you sleep through it but as you say it is far better to sort out any discomfort she is in.

Jackie, being a good parent has got nothing to do with how old or young you are!

You have done everything you can to try and make your baby happy:

• different bottle
• infacol etc
• different positions to wind
• seen your GP
• researched cranial ..
• asked for help on this forum

You are up and down all night to try and make her more comfortable. You have your child´s intersts at heart! What else could your baby ask for? NOTHING!

Your DP and DS clearly have no idea about looking after children but far worse, no empathy for you and your feelings or for the baby who could be feeling crap at times with the wind.

The important thing to take out of this thread is that ÝOU ARE DOING EVERYTHING RIGHT. Being a good mother has got nothing to do with age. And you don´t even have to LIKE babies particularly, he won´t be one very long ; ) And you still have a life ahead of you and will still be young when your lo leaves home, though it may not seem like that now!

Hi, I also would use massage and I did baby yoga with ds and some of the babies I have looked after.

Have a look on here which then you can link to a video to show you the moves. Basically it is holding knees into abdomen and bicycling the legs. Sing a rhyme such as "grand old duke of your york"

Good luck.

Jackie - the other posters have already said it, but you're a great mum - you care deeply about your little girl and she's a happy beautiful little girl. Having a baby is an enormous learning curve (I remember the first 4 months of having DS1 as being the hardest in my life - but also the most rewarding) so its only natural for you to feel doubts about your abilities as a mum from time to time. Its also really hard on relationships so its really important for you and your DP to keep on talking to make sure you really hear and understand each other. If it helps any, my DH gets pissed off when I tell him I've posted on MN about him too - even when its nice stuff and even though its anonymous...

I think the important thing here is your DD's well being. Do the research on cranial osteopathy (start a thread on here, speak to your HV) and dealing with digestive issues (colic, trapped wind etc.). Try baby massage - your HV or local sure start centre may even run free courses you could try out - I massage DS2 every day after his bath and he loves it (its a great way to connect with your little one). And try and keep your chilled head on if you can - it'll help you sleep when and where you can, and help you keep a positive mental attitude. Good luck.

well my little one was at the doctors today and she got diagnosed with silent reflux and was precribed Infant Gavison. I am so happy that someone has finally realised that something is wrong with her !! I feel like a big weight has been taken off my shoulders. Well lets just hope this Gavison works anyway !! Has anymore used Infant Gaviscin before ??

My DD1 had silent reflux that wasn't diagnosed until 10 weeks, and that time was hell. I too doubted my ability to be a good mum, and kept wondering if we'd made a mistake having her. Gaviscon helped massively and made her a much easier baby, and you'll know within a couple of days if it's going to help your LO.

Your family sound very unsupportive, but your continued concern demonstrates that you are doing an excellent job of caring for your daughter. Don't let anyone make you doubt your instincts - they are nearly always right.

I've just had DD2, a non reflux baby, and much easier to care for. I hope the gaviscon works for you.