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LlamaFarmerKarmaHarmer · 30/04/2009 21:24

BBC2

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SunglassesPolarBear · 30/04/2009 22:10

It was me
My mum always rings at inconvenient times

SallyJayGorce · 30/04/2009 22:12

Right, I really am going now. Take care on the ice, if you can find any.

LlamaFarmerKarmaHarmer · 30/04/2009 22:13

Hey. Sorry about your sorrows. I particularly regret the gaffe because I suffered horribly with every of the 3 kids I BF, and was only one bleeding agonising thrush-ridden searingly painful nipple or distressingly awful nursing strike away from giving up each time. For the first 4 months with each baby. It was awful and difficult for me and so I am just not one of the 'just pop it on and everything will be OK' brigade.

I TOTALLY understand why women choose or feel they must move to formula.

What I don't like however is misinformation from formula companies and health professionals whose job it is to know better.

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chequersmate · 30/04/2009 22:15

I totally understand what you mean SallyJay.

I ended up mixed feeding my DD from week 2 which I did not plan to do. I did breastfeed her til 6 months though (which is when I always planned to stop).

I never really 'got' where I was supposed to stand on the whole breast versus bottle thing. I spent about 10 minutes of my day formula feeding and about 7 hours of it breastfeeding.

Never felt I fell into either camp though.

AbricotsSecs · 30/04/2009 22:17

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SallyJayGorce · 01/05/2009 09:54

Morning Llama Farmer - I so admire women like you who kept at it - you can have your badge back now.

I think I would have done if other things had been calmer but all my births seem to have coincided with deaths and disasters. Someone asked if my family had a 'one in, one out' policy. Nice! I gave birth to two of them with no pain relief at home and am the sort of person who passes out before admitting anything hurts so the pain I could have got through if my head had been up to it but we had so many other things going on. I was dealing with mum's Alzheimer's and cancer, my auntie's alcoholism (both died, my auntie in a horrible way) and the terminal illnesses of my in laws over the same time so the whole idea of giving yourself time to snuggle up and get bf established was fantasy for me. Hard to do when you're out combing the streets for your mum and clearing up what looked like a murder scene.

I must say the bf support available when I looked for it with my first child was fantastic but the more holistic support for someone who wasn't able to let everything else go wasn't there - and how could it be really? I don't expect that to be provided, but I did feel some of the very well meaning women I spoke to re the feeding were so focussed on bf that they were deaf to my particular circumstances. An NCT counsellor who knew the whole deal still said 'I'm afraid with bf only the strong survive' which upset me and pissed off DH who wanted to ring her and shout about 'how dare she suggest I lacked strength' etc. Another said 'get other people to look after your mum for a few weeks, that's what they are for'. ??!! All got very fraught with that kind of thing going on.

That's when I first felt it was a breast VERSUS bottle thing - ideally these people should have been trying to help the whole situation of the bf woman (me). In the end the pressure to bf no matter what felt so immense I believed it was an all or nothing thing and stopped. Each time, seeing what healthy children we have I felt less bad about it, but still an approach which focussed more on successful FEEDING in a way that worked for me and less on the method would have helped me continue - for eg if someone had said I could introduce a bottle after the first 6 weeks (ish) so I could be with my mum, or that if I needed to switch to ff it would be OK but give bf one more day...and then another day etc I would have felt less under the hammer about it. But the message was 'exclusive feeding for the first 6 months if the aim'. (Some people were great and despite their personal conviction about bf were brilliant about the realities of how unpredictable the demands on me were in those days - both in time and emotional endurance.) I know other women do it in all sorts of appalling conditions so this isn't a sob story but an explanation of what might have been done differently. I imagine many other women feel the same.

Should this have been a new thread?!

SallyJayGorce · 01/05/2009 09:55

'is the aim'

chandellina · 01/05/2009 13:10

the program really glossed over the issue, unfortunately. Never mind wondering if there is any real difference between types of formula - and how they really stack up to breast milk on issues other than potential obesity - I was very curious about the extreme differences in the four women's BM samples.

Were the variations related to the ages of the babies, or just to do with different women having different milk/protein/calorie mixes to their milk? We didn't find out.

I've seen on here statements like "every woman's breast milk is the same quality" or that it is always nutritious enough for a baby. Yet we know that some babies become massive on breast milk while others are tiny things. I know I worried myself for months over why my DS fed constantly (and never seemed satiated) yet barely could stick to the 9th centile.

PuppyMonkey · 01/05/2009 13:16

I did watch this and thought the whole thing was a bit crap really. They tried to cram too much into one prog - it would have been better to concentrate on food only or on infant feeding only or on toys only.

tiktok · 01/05/2009 13:24

chandellina, I think what might help you understand all this is to remember two things

  • we are mammals, made to nurture our young on species-specific milk, so it's totally reasonable assumption to make that our milk will meet our mammalian youngs' needs better than any substitute

  • there are 2 parts to the bf relationship: the mother and the baby, with each parternship being unique, and working together

Of course some babies become massive and others stay tiny. This is part of human diversity, and each one of us has a personal, physiological (and emotional and psychological) profile - the mother who has a small production and storage capacity for milk will probably need to feed very often both to make and to deliver a milk supply, and the baby who is physiologically small (and 9th centile is perfectly within normal) will probably feed very often because their capacity for large amounts of milk is not great.

There is no evidence that breastmilk is ever 'not nutritious enough' - really. The studies have tested this, and while capacity to make and store differing quantities of milk varies quite a lot, the quality is never an issue. This does not mean mothers' milk is always identical, but its capacity to nourish and grow the next generation remains constant.

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chandellina · 01/05/2009 18:34

thanks TikTok - it would still be an interesting analysis, I think, on the variation in breast milk.

tiktok · 01/05/2009 23:17

Analysis has been done many times, chandellina - check out one study for yourself, by googling
'Circadian variation in fat concentration of breast-milk in a rural northern Thai population'

But there are several studies, with different studies looking for different things and finding how variable, yet quality-consistent, breastmilk is

chandellina · 02/05/2009 18:21

ok, i will check it out. I want MY milk analysed though. ;)

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