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1 week until large baby number 2 - any advice appreciated

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abbymeg · 08/12/2008 09:11

Hello!

This is long - sorry!

I'm booked in for a c-section next monday and I really want to BF my baby, so I've done some reading and I'm already boggling at the amount of conflicting information out there. So, I thought I would post (possibly a bit early) on here in anticipation and see if anyone can help with my particular circumstances.

I had DD 10 years ago. I had a 3 day labour that ended in EMCS. Labour included pethidine twice as well as gas and air and a spinal block. When she was born she was a mega baby - 10lbs 12oz. I fed her after a couple of hours as I wasn't given any contact until after I was back on the ward. She was fine to start with, but quickly starving. By about day 2/3 I was feeding for up to 9 hours solid without even a toilet break (the care in the particular hospital was truly crap). I was also not really allowed to eat - I had not eaten for 2 days before the birth, then they had me on restricted food because of c-section. I was only allowed small portions of bland food. I think my milk came in around the end of day 3, not that it made any difference. By day 4 I was bleeding lots, I was in agony and shaking at the start of each feed, and by day 5 the doctor weighed her and told me she'd lost over 10% of her body weight - which was considered to be dangerous - and she had to have some formula. I let them give the bottle; she slept and I gave up instantly. She was bottle fed from that point onwards. That was it, except for a nasty bout of mastitis (sp?) a week later.

I was only young, I thought it would be easy and I was quite ignorant of what to expect. I was also quite shaken by the birth going so wrong compared to my expectations. The MWs, bar one, were all very pro-bottle and I was given very little help.

So, I'm expecting DS (in a different hospital) who is also a large baby and I want to avoid a repeat performance of last time, though I know that it won't be easy and I'm more prepared for that.

Any advice would help, but particularly - if DS becomes hungry after first day and milk isn't in (elective will probably delay this), what do I do? There is so much conflicting advice about whether to top up or not. Any help with how to cope with a larger baby and what is normal weight loss. Also, with regards to positioning, is it worth getting a feeding pillow? Any advice about positioning generally and latching on would be brilliant.

I felt that if I tried to get some advice now, it will help me to establish feeding without making any mistakes that will hinder me after I leave hospital.

Thank you all

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tiktok · 08/12/2008 11:43

Sorry, you're right, MissisBoot - this is what the OP said. This would have been what it might have felt like. The baby will deffo not have been sucking continuously for 9 hours. It is certainly likely the baby will have been on or at the breast for that length of time, but there will have been times the baby was dozing or not actively sucking, and then objecting if she was put in a crib.

abbymeg · 08/12/2008 11:59

whomovedmychocolate I remember you posting your birth story. Weren't you the lady who was tandem feeding? I have Mars Bars this time. Possibly not nutritionally valid, but certainly will be helpful for my soul afterwards.

I was feeding for 9 hours constantly on Day 3 or 4. It was hard and painful - but I have learned the error of my ways!

I have taken the advice and I rang up NCT feeding helpline and spoke to a lovely lady for about an hour. She has explained much about what happened last time - that I wasn't doing anything wrong (apart from positioning - the advice is much better now), that some babies do need to be there constantly but that's normal - they want to be held by you and, as long as I'm not sore, that's fine. I was really worried that it was wrong because of the fuss DD made when she was put down, and the fatal error I made of comparing myself to other mums on the ward. She told me to take into account the stress both of us had been under, not only during the birth but throughout the pregnancy too, when thinking about how fussy DD was. And, ultimately, the hospital had very outdated advice even for 10 years ago and I was a victim of poor advice and care. I've had advice on positioning, what to do after the birth, how frequently to feed, and how to look after me post CS. I've been told to focus on the first couple of weeks and go from there. Lots of feeding and not much else. So, it should be better this time, and I've got her number to give her a call once I'm out (sounds like jailbreak!).

It just makes me sad that other people - medical professionals - kept me from feeding DD the way that I wanted to.

Thank you all so much for your help. I have no doubt I will be back here shortly with a thousand questions.

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LilMatchGirlInVictorianSqualor · 08/12/2008 12:01

abbymeg, if it was painful then it's possible the baby wasn't latched properly, therefore constantly 'feeding' as she wasn't getting the milk effectively.
Breastfeeding shouldn't hurt, if the latch is correct then the nipple will be far back in the mouth and not hurting. If you've already damaged the nipples then the pain should last for no longer than 10-20 seconds when the nipple is being drawn in, but once latched it, again, it should not hurt.

abbymeg · 08/12/2008 12:02

tiktok you're right - I don't think she was actually feeding the entire time, but I couldn't put her down and she was on my boobs (switched) the entire time. But I accept what you say - I see now that the fuss was probably protest at being put down! I can't believe that I accepted what those MWs told me.

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abbymeg · 08/12/2008 12:05

LilMatchGirl I was in a mess - lots of pain and blood. I don't remember labour pain, but I clearly remember that! This time I know a bit more and I should have the support (hopefully) of a hospital which has a huge BF initiative going on at the moment. And, of course, all of your help on MN which I really appreciate.

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LilMatchGirlInVictorianSqualor · 08/12/2008 12:45

There was almost definitely something wrong then. If you find it hurts this time round, speak up, and don't let them tell you it does/should/will etc, because it shouldn't.
Sorry you had such a bad experience last time, I only hope it's a better experience this time round.

abbymeg · 08/12/2008 12:46

milfAKA thank you for the link; I've had a read through and will probably be returning to it after next week!

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whomovedmychocolate · 08/12/2008 15:51

abbeymeg - yep still tandem feeding - it's a bit knackering and I spend all day eating but the kids are thriving!

ilovemydog · 08/12/2008 15:54

VS, any idea how big a baby's stomach is at 9 months?

LilMatchGirlInVictorianSqualor · 08/12/2008 16:13

Not really, I know by ten days it's about ping pong ball size and that an adult's stomach is around the size of a tennis ball.

LilMatchGirlInVictorianSqualor · 08/12/2008 16:14

Sorry, day 3 is ping pong ball, day ten is egg.

LeonieDecktheHalls · 09/12/2008 19:12

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ticklytum · 22/01/2009 09:41

hello abbeymeg sorry this long one too. had second baby under ga after failed labour and spinal ana, my first was much better coz it was planned and controlled section but second was nightmare and recovery was really bad and slow. both were large babies #1 was 9.04lbs #2 was 9.14oz.

anyway have someone hold the baby for you asa you can after surgery skin ti skin. i was in recovery for six hours with a midwife to myself which realy annoys me now as i didnt know about importance of skin t skin, as my poor daughter missed out only fed her for about 4 weeks coz of no advice and proper support. i was also on so many painkillers and pretty strong antibis for about 3 weeks after surgery they say they dont affect the milk but i think they did for me and every time i would feed her she'd have some major cramps so i gave up.

i now expecting my third with planned section in six weeks who is also large i had scan yesterday it approx weight is 5.12lbs already. i am currently seeing a homeopathic doc who specilizes in herbal chinese med. he wants me to have vbac but not too sure due to big baby but has treated me for other gyny problems and is givivg me something for after surgery to help my scar heal and pain and increase milk supply. check out some homeopathic med on net if you interesed!!!!
plenty of natural meds available that do really work. wish i knew about homeopathic or chinese med earlier could have prevented c/s. there are plenty of women who have given birth to bigger babies vaginally!

bubbleymummy · 22/01/2009 10:34

I think there's also research that shows ANY skin to skin is good for the baby after birth. So if for any reason you are unable to hold the baby yourself (although I know plenty of women who have done it after a cs - but just in case! ) get your DP to take his shirt off and give lots of cuddles until you are ready.

ticklytum · 22/01/2009 11:34

ee thats what i mean! i didnt even know that so why dont midwives speak up? espeially when you ask them? if bf is best for baby i think more support is needed especially for sectioned women?

madmouse · 22/01/2009 15:01

Ilovemydog, stomach size roughly equals fist size at any age

abbymeg don't have much advice as I make them tiny, but 10% rule is less important in a big baby, as they can afford to lose a bit more, so don't let that oushy you into stopping b

hope it goes well for you

madmouse · 22/01/2009 15:02

not sure what happened should read push you into stopping bf

LeonietakingtheLEAbytheballs · 22/01/2009 17:02

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