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DS's tooth is decaying from nighttime breastfeeding, says my dentist today - he will need to go under general anasthetic to have it fixed. HELP! I need support

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RoRoMommy · 13/10/2008 17:05

See this thread about 18m old DS's broken tooth, which has started to chip and crack away. Two of his other teeth have brownish/gray spots on them.

I went to see a dentist today and he says that DS's cracked tooth will need treatment, and because DS is 18 months old he will need to go under general anasthetic to have the procedure done. Two of his other front teeth will also require restorative work because of the decay.

The decay is, according to the dentist, due to my continuing to feed DS at night, on demand. He said that breastmilk is sugary and pools around the front teeth at night, and since there is little saliva production at night to protect the teeth, it has a remarkable detrimental effect.

I am completely gutted. Aside from the fact that my son will be subject to powerful drugs designed to make him unconscious, then will have to recover from the procedure to his tooth, the whole thing is going to cost over 2000 pounds.

And ON TOP OF ALL THAT, everything I've heard on this site, and in articles, and magazines, about breastmilk being this miracle liquid that actually has compounds in it to protect a child's teeth, I am now faced with the reality that, in my case, this is not true. My breastmilk is causing my child's teeth to literally fall out of his mouth.

Oh, and now I get to night wean. Fun fun.

I am so upset and confused. I will get a second opinion, of course, but time is of the essence as every day that goes by the nub that was my son's tooth gets smaller and smaller, and the damage gets steadily closer to the nerve, and his developing adult tooth.

WAAAAHHHHHH! Fuck fuck fuck.

Pardon the outburst. Has this happened to anyone else? Could someone please tell me I am not a rubbish mother?

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ComeOVeneer · 15/10/2008 11:13

Scanning the other points raised -

Infection and abcess can be very painful/unpleasant for a small child, then on top of that would need antibiotics and treatment.

Exposed dentine is far softer and more prone to decay (which can occur quite rapidly) than the harder outer enamel, so the tooth could deteriorate quite quickly.

The potential impact on the adult tooth from infection is quite small so I wouldn't worry about that. Also the alignment of the adult teeth (I assume we are talking a front tooth here) won't be particularly compromised even if the tooth is removed several years before the adult one emerges.

RoRoMommy · 15/10/2008 11:27

COV, thanks for that; sorry for making that assumption about NHS doctor's pay. I am just trying to make sense of the two very different sets of advice I've been given, and that's how it works in the US where I am from ("public" of HMO vs. private practice).

So would your view be that it's not a great idea to wait for it to become infected, but that we might be able to hold off (what are the benefits of waiting, in your view). If you don't mind sharing, of course.

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fondant4000 · 15/10/2008 11:37

This post has been really interesting.

My dd2 has had trouble with her front teeth (she is 18m and bf).

It took us ages to work out that because she is a fruit fiend (and a juice fiend) that was damaging her teeth! We felt like such awful parents .

DD1 has lovely teeth, and was also bf but is not very keen on fruit and vegetables.

It seems so unfair .

Does anyone know - are second teeth stronger - eg can dd2 eat loads more fruit when she finnally has her adult teeth?

ComeOVeneer · 15/10/2008 11:58

Adult teeth have much thicker layers of enamel so can withstand more of an "assault" on them (basically they are designed to be around an awful lot longer than baby teeth). That is not to say that means you can be neglectful of them though .

I do agree that at 18 months I would endeavour to adopt a wait and see approach as it is just so young, but would be fully prpared to enevitably have to intervene at some point in the future. You will need to ensure that ds is seen regularly (I would strive for 3 monthly checks rather than 6 months as a lot of damage can occur to a weakened baby tooth in 6 months).

CoteDAzur · 15/10/2008 12:09

At the age of internet, I would really hope that people would refrain from making outrageous and blatantly wrong comments such as the one below:

"tooth decay and sugar appeared at the same time in historical human remains"

Sugar was refined for the first time around AD 350.

Meanwhile, tooth decay can be observed in the remains of prehistoric people. Skulls dating from a million years ago have shown dental carries.

RoRoMommy · 15/10/2008 14:56

Okay, back from dentist number THREE! This one took an approach literally middle of the road from the other two. She said that we would be justified in adopting a wait and see approach, bearing in mind that an infection could occur at any time, but it could take months. She was certain that at some stage before the adult tooth erupts and the baby tooth comes out that this tooth, in its weakened stage from the chip and with the current level of decay, will need to be either restored (and this is a possibilty if there is enough of the baby tooth to bond a restorative resin to) or extracted.

As for the extraction, she said that since it is a front tooth this would carry no deleterious effects in respect of either movement of the other baby teeth into the space created by the lost tooth, or the adult tooth that is under the gum.

As far as the decay, she said, based on our description of his diet, it is likely from sugars in fruit ESPECIALLY DRIED FRUIT LIKE RAISINS, as he snacks on these daily between meals (he's a complete and utter raisin addict) and possibly also breastmilk at night. When I pushed her on the breastmilk research I had read, she said that yes, it does have elements in it to protect baby teeth, BUT these only work if the teeth are already strong, so teeth that are damaged or rendered weak by OTHER SUGARS (as is likely the case here) or by injury to the tooth, could be impacted by the sugars in the breastmilk, particularly at night when saliva is less prevalent.

This is very good education for us in regard to maintaining his teeth, so we will cut down on, and hopefully eliminate altogether, night feeds (it is time, for other reasons not least among them that I need to be getting more sleep at night), and he will only have fruit with meals (particularly raisins). Snacks will be savouries like bread, crackers, etc., and he's not allowed any sweeties, cakes, or other sugary foods, or undiluted juice.

As far as the way forward, she mentioned a few other helpful tidbits: when he goes under the GA, she would endeavor to do everything possible to restore the chipped tooth and address the signs of decay on two of his other front teeth. She would also put a coating on all of his other teeth to protect those as well. She said that as long as he's under, they might as well do all of the work they can.

This will, of course, cost quite a lot of money. She quoted us somewhere along the lines of 3000 pounds, which is a combination of hospital fees, anesthecist fees, and her fees. Thankfully our medical insurance would cover the hospital and GA fees, and we just got dental insurance that would cover the bulk of the remainder, but won't go into effect until three months from the start of the policy, so January. Also, they can only to protective work on teeth actually full erupted, and one of his molars hasn't come in fully, so hopefully by then it would have.

Bottom line, he will not be going in for the procedure with the first dentist, Mr. Breastmilk is to Blame", nor will we follow the guidance of the NHS who would have us wait until he's got an infection. Instead we will wait and see, but feel that the balance of factors (feasibility of doing protective, preventative work on all of his teeth, restoring the chipped tooth hopefully prior to its needing to be extracted, and insurance coverage of the cost), weighs in favor of our waiting until the end of January.

Obviously if he appears in pain or gets an infection at any point prior to that time, we will take him in immediately. The one drawback to the wait and see is that it takes at least a week to get a surgery booking so he might have to wait, and be in pain. In the meantime we will get baby toothpaste with flouride in, and implement the other measures described above in connection with his diet, and generally keep an eye on his teeth.

Thanks to everyone for your support and comments and helpful information. It's been quite an education for me, and hopefully has proven helpful to others as well.

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GreenMonkies · 15/10/2008 21:50

It just goes to show that it is alwyas worth seeking a second (or third!) opinion!!

Sycamoretree · 16/10/2008 10:35

I feel very stupid for not posting about dried fruit, and raisins in particular earlier. They are worse than chocolate in regards to dental health, because unlike chocolate, they stick in the teeth until the next time the child has a through brushing. At least with chocolate, the saliva has a better chance at washing away SOME of the sugary residue.

My DD never liked them, so no problem there, but DS loves them. He is allowed them at breakfast, when his teeth are cleaned immediately afterwards, and at tea time, as it's only an hour or so until bath and another tooth brushing. Same goes for apricots etc.

Cadmum · 16/10/2008 20:40

RoRo: I am glad that you are feeling better about the whole situation. The more opinions you have, the more informed you will feel.

I did want to add that the original approach for our dd was the 'wait and see' which eventually amounted to prescribing anti-bs for an abscess 3 times before agreeing to proceed with any intervention..

When the whole thing began our dd had some decay at the site of a chipped tooth and might have needed 1 filling but by the time we waited and saw she had two extractions and several fillings.

The deterioration can be rapid but I suppose that it also depends on genetics, diet and hygiene as well. Since you can't control the first one it is essential to be vigilant about the other two.

(i am sure that dd2 must have nightmares about me chasing her about with a toothbrush in my hand.

Keep us informed.

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