was shocked by the amount of bottle-feeders in hospital

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found it quite upsetting at times. my bed was by the empties 'bottle bank', so saw how many people on the ward were bottle feeding. in the 4 days i was there, there were 10 women on the ward in total, and only myself and another lady was breastfeeding. The midwives offered help to everyone, but most decided on bottles.

the reason i found it upsetting was because i didnt want dd3 to have formula but that choice was basically taken away from me whilst she was SCBU and was given formula by tube.

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Is gastroenteritis really that common tiktok? I'm not being flippant, it's just that I've never heard of a baby with gastroenteritis out of the many I know. Wouldn't it be poor hygeine that causes that rather than formula per se therefore it would be very easy to avoid that. I've got 3 kids and I can say hand on heart than none of them have had so much as an episode of diarrhoea!!

Wanda-unlike some people here, I really don't care about maintaining favour.
Now I'm off to change my ds's cloth nappy,feed him some free range chicken and organic veg,put him between his organic unbleached sheets and pour myself a very large glass of wine. All done in the smuggest and most self satisfied of ways naturally!

Ooh MD, you do make me larf!!

"actually think that the majority of breastfeeding mums (particularly older,middle class mothers,IME) really don't give a toss whether other mums babies are breastfeed or not (particularly younger,working class mothers) they just like to feel superior."

WTF??? As a older(ish) middle class mother who bf her 2 sons until past 12 months, I find that horribly offensive. You're right in that I couldn't give a toss about how other babies were fed but to suggest that the majority just want to feel superior is just jaw droppingly rude and judgemental!

I'm off. I'm getting p*ssed off with stuff like this on Mumsnet so I'm going to give it a rest for a while.

lilsmum, I am guilty of many things but being on my high horse is certainly not one of them (says she chortling at the keyboard.)

Especially when I think of you getting up umpteen times a night while I have a nice long 9hr stretch

Gobbledigook, you seem to base all your opinions on people you know and your own children. It's a bit difficult to come to some agreement then no matter how much research and facts you've got up your sleeves....

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HappyMumof2, I am not sure I agree with the feeling superior-theory of yours, but I think there is a point to what you are saying. I am guilty of it as middle class and 32. My SIL is same age as me and wc, gave up bf after a few weeks and I admit to thinking it was because she lacked the education and just didn't understand the benefits of bf. I would be interesting to see if it is class/age-realted in fact.

FairyMum, don't most people base their decisions on knowledge/experience gained from around them? Don't tell me you go 'googling' everytime you need to make a decision about something, and what about people who don't have access to the internet? How do they know 'what the statistics tell us'?? And I know enough about stats to know they can tell you almost anything you want them to anyway!

Do you never ask advice of anyone around you - do you always go with published statistics?!?

Oh dear..I am 33 now.....Even older....

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beansmum - I'm really cross about your post about banning grannies from speaking up and stupid things mothers say - some dd's value their dm's advice - they may not always take it and that's fine but at least they are prepared to listen.

By the way there are some midwives who are grannies too - perhaps they should be excluded from the debate!

If things have changed 'since my day' (they bloody well changed inbetween the 6 years that I produced 3 babies) the chances are they will certainly have changed again by the time each of you become grandmothers and find yourselves sitting in my current seat - so be prepared for the backlash.

I'm not saying either that you should take every bit of advice from the next generation as gospel - of course not - but please don't dismiss it out of hand you might learn something.

I know your post wasn't directed at me personally but I'm just standing up for grandmothers!

I do both actually. I read books, I go on the internet like MN. When I was pregnant with my first I read a book about the benefits of bf which got me interested and which helped me a lot in the tough beginning. I look around me too of course, but I don't argue against stats saying bf gives babies better resistence to fight infections etc just because I know someone next door who was bottle-fed and looks normal. Sorry, a bit flippant I know....but seems like that is partly how you argue....

dont go Happymum - I also thought I would because I was getting so p*ssed off, but we'd miss you!

DS had gastroenteritis when I swopped to bottles at 6 months.

Well I guess it is because nothing I've seen backs up what the stats tell me and I think fairly obviously I'm going to make decisions based on what I see with my own eyes. I did make the analogy with MMR earlier and I think it's similar - the stats on that are glaringly clear but people still choose to oppose them - fine if that's what you want to do, I'm not going to argue with you so don't argue with me about my choices!

I can't believe I keep getting sucked into these same old arguments again and again - everybody sticks to their own side of the field anyway - I'm off (well this thread anyway)

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HappyMUm, just leave the thread - Dejags has and I will too and hopefully it'll die. I only come on cos I'm gobby and can't avoid putting my two penneth in! I wish I didn't because I don't really care what anyone thinks about me or what I choose to do and neither should you!

Happymumof2 - ain't it just

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I hope that wine you're drinking is organic Moondog!