Extended bf pic

[VictorianSqualor]

Don't know if this has been linked before but isn't the picture in this article lovely?

janeasher I don't think VS has manipulated anyone into debate, I don't suppose her view on it one way or the other would have stopped anyone else from contributing their feelings - or am I misunderstanding?

OBM I just dont' see her pose and think porn. I don't see why an image has to be re-shuffled upright to make it look less like shorthand for sex.

Do you think that it's ok to have a bf picture with a woman who looks like a sexual being? (Jo Whiley good choice if you do object) I suppose theres a balance to be found, but I don't see anything wrong with a woman looking like she's aware of her sexuality and proud of it, while also bfing.

For me, having children really changed my body image for the better - I went from a skinny flat chested person to having a woman shaped body - and I found such confidence in being pregnant and breastfeeding - just a kind of pride in what I could do so naturally, and it felt like a sexiness, and I suppose that's what I see in this picture - but without any issues of the male gaze and porn and objectification. I don't know if I've explained that very well.

Yes that I agree with PW.

Which makes me wonder slightly though is it worth a poster campaign at all? Is it money that would be better directed to better hands on (scuse pun) support?

okay, yes you're right of course belindaB about it being less practicable with two to be on one's side.

My main point, though, was that the photographer should be on the same level as the subject, if he/she's wanting to avoid being accused of objectification.

Just out of interst, how many of us have regularly simultaneously fed two older children? My own observation has been that two kids wanting bf at the same time is rare, but I might be v wrong in that?

Probably, slur. Which makes this entire thread a GIANT waste of my precious time.

Did anyone look at the Be A Star link I posted?

god save us from davina macall with her tits out, tbh.
to answer your question - my experience of simultaneous tandem feeding is of a younger child wnting to feed and the older child piggybacking but pretty seldom tbh.

I'm not sure that extended bfing ought to be the focus for campaign cash.

Let's get the women who want to breastfeed breastfeeding At All first, eh?

I thought they were good pics HM. I liked the way they showed women bfing while going about their relatively normal business (not that lying on a bed isn't also normal business).

Boco, I agree with that too. A women's body is often more sexy/sexual during pregnancy and after.

And if a women looks sexy while bfing? Well I suppose there is an arguement that it probably doesn't help promote bfing for some I guess in that it plays into the hands of those naysaying eurghers who scream and say ewww sex and a women see I told you tits were for husbands! But equally maybe for some who feel they will become desexualised by having their bodies taken over by babies, I suppose it helps.

I digress from the notion of ebf somewhat, but it is an interesting wider debate about pictures of bf that I keep getting caught into

I'll try to return to point!

Lying in a bed is normal business?

I seem to only do it for about three nanoseconds every 48 hours [nicks matchstick from fishfinger sculpture for eyelids]

Boco, "I don't see anything wrong with a woman looking like she's aware of her sexuality and proud of it, while also bfing".

No, me neither, in ths slightest. I just get depressed by the fact that female sexuality can't, seemingly, be expressed in any but the most familiar (and imo ultimately repressive and unsupportive of actual female sexuality) idioms.

This photo reminds me of b and w shots of naked and traditionally[-attractive lesbians, again 'looking proudly at the camera".

in that it's ultimate intention/function is to reassure men, and those who worry about what men think, that there is nothing to fear.

I love your star link HM, I've seen it before (prob linked to by you I admit)

One of the things that made me wonder about a sleb type campaign.

HM yes those who want to bf but find difficulties or are put off.

But they are also those who could or would, maybe if they were not only offered support but if the notion was promoted well?

OBM, you've used 'idioms' and I've used 'tropes'. If either of us works in 'paradigm' it might be time to repair to Wankers Corner.

So, hang on, OBM, I posted something I thought lighthearted, you reacted unexpectedly negatively, I apologised and asked what you thought I meant and you told me you hadn't seen an apology and are continuing to ignore me.

Is that it in a nutshell, or did I get that wrong too?

oh paradigm orf. I'm going to bed. I'll be standing upright, of course, to sleep, with my darlings hanging off my breasts. That's how it goes in the batcave.

Oh, I think the notion ought to be promoted. It'd be a damn sight easier to promote it if formula wasn't advertised though - magazines would carry articles that didn't have overtones of "Look at the fucking weirdoes breastfeeding" to them, for a start.

I agree with you onebat. At the very least, the photograph certainly plays on that tradition.

This whole debate and its misunderstandings is reminding me a bit of Spinal Tap in that bit where someone says the album cover is sexist, and Nigel Tufnel looks completely bewildered and says "Sexy? What's wrong with being sexy??"

I think I understand OBM.

Yes.

Lying on your back is a bit, erm, missionary.

and come get me.

BUT. Is it always? I think, I think that the traditional lying on back splayed porn pic is different to original link, (not least becasue of absence of two bfing children )

I think she looks in control. Look at her chin, jutted slightly, her expression is much more defient than complient. I think it says 'fuck you' rather than 'fuck me'. Could it be a traditional image subverted?

Ach, pw and obm, you two are so clever with your "idioms" and "tropes". Meanwhile I posted a picture of a woman breastfeeding her pet monkey. So there.

IB

She certainly doesn't look like she'd be a centrefold if the children were removed - she's, as Slur says, too "fuck you" for that.

fuck that was quick PW!

Damn you got you beauty routine down pat