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Mothers now advised to bf for 2 yrs - in Scotland.

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kiskidee · 14/07/2008 00:24

Except for that bit, the rest of the article makes my teeth itch.

scratch scratch

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hunkermunker · 14/07/2008 11:47

Here you go, Reasons To Be Proud

tiktok · 14/07/2008 11:49

Clearly, the way the message is received by individual women is going to be important - which is why headlines such as 'women told to bf for 2 years' are so freakin crass.

We know - from research - that any desired health change or behaviour change that 'tells' adults what to do in this way does not work. You need to support, explain, enable, encourage, make possible...not 'tell'.

What we cannot assume is that guidelines which work on governments and systems to enable and support women with this target in mind work to put women off even starting in the first place. Sharing the facts - what the health outcomes are, how to get help if you want to breastfeed - may be fine.

Chequers · 14/07/2008 11:49

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SirDigbyChickenCaesar · 14/07/2008 11:49

but chequers, no-one is saying that "b/f'ing is only worthwhile if done for two years" they are saying that there are a lot of health benefits to BFing for 2 years. just like there are health benefits to BFing for 2 weeks or 2 months.

bookthief · 14/07/2008 11:51

But it doesn't say anywhere that bf for less that 2 years is pointless?

If some decent info on bf past 1 year (the point where I personally was being told by all and sundry that it was no longer acceptable ) is being given out then brilliant.

Chequers · 14/07/2008 11:53

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bookthief · 14/07/2008 11:54

But crap article.

I think weeonion and her gorgeous dd took part in making that dvd btw. It's not meant to be instead of proper support, more about normalising bf for people who may never have seen anyone bf, worry about how it could fit into their lives etc. The people who were filming wo came along to a Glasgow meetup and I think this is probably the same project.

LackaDAISYcal · 14/07/2008 11:58

I think that possible Carrie has been misquoted, but I agree that being told to BF for two years will put some women off. Nowt wrong with saying that. The WHO stuff on the other hand.....

and a wee question about nature's age of BFing. Our DCs teeth come out around aged 6-7. Has it always been thus, or is it only because we have better dental health these days? If a chld's teeth all fell out at four, say, becuase that's when they naturally fell out, would they be gummy until seven or would the adult teeth come in quicker to fill the gap?

Just pondering out loud as this would affect the age at which weaning would naturally occur maybe? Primates milk teeth, for example, fall out around four years iirc.

thumbwitch · 14/07/2008 12:14

Thanks NotanExcitingName - will do. Anthropology was never one of my strongest points!

edam · 14/07/2008 12:14

No-one should be 'telling' anyone to b/f for two years. They should be explaining that the guidance is that the best thing for babies is to b/f exclusively to six months and continue b/f as well as solids to two years. BUT that everyone's circumstances are different and each mother is entitled to make up her own mind about what works for her and her baby. AND offering advice and support on b/f - real advice and support, not HV myths.

ThingOne · 15/07/2008 14:58

Crap article and I'll be pretty pissed off if those turn out to be Carrie's actual words. I won't say more until she's back to put her side of the story.

StealthPolarBear · 15/07/2008 20:48

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FioFio · 15/07/2008 20:52

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NormaStanleyFletcher · 15/07/2008 21:09

She must have been misquoted.

Shitemum · 15/07/2008 21:14

Anyone who has ever been misquoted in a newspaper will be giving Carrie the benefit of the doubt. Journos do not report your words, they mangle them.

I think any initiative that makes breastfeeding normal and acceptable to the public at large and involves distribution of quality information should be welcomed. I agree that far more support is needed for those struggling with Bfeeding.

I knew what the WHO guidelines were before I had DD1 and DD2. I knew they recommended exclusive bfeeding till 6 mo and continuing to a year or even better 2. I wasn't put off and fortunately everything went fine and I ended up feeding them till they were 17mo and 20mo.
I think there are so many factors involved in deciding to bfeed or not that the WHO guidelines probably don't cut much ice with the mothers who are undecided.
There needs to be more info and more support, it's as simple as that.

Nancy66 · 15/07/2008 21:26

I doubt she has been misquoted - it's likely she said a lot more and they cherry picked what they wanted to use.
I think what she says makes perfect sense, it will put people off - a mum that was iffy about BF in the first place then being told she should really do it for two years will probably just not bother.

NormaStanleyFletcher · 15/07/2008 21:45

if you say alot more and they cherry pick that is still misquoting

"I still bf my 1 year and 11 month old daughter, but I want to stop "

"I agree that prisoners should be allowed the oportunity to do meaningful work but the staffing levels, make this impossible

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Nancy66 · 15/07/2008 21:52

the example you gave changed the context of what the person said - that's different.

When somebody gives an interview (whether for print, radio or TV) they never repeat the entire thing - they just chose the most relevant or entertaining part.

I doubt that quote was made up - what I'm saying is she may well have said a lot more to justify it.

NormaStanleyFletcher · 15/07/2008 21:54

fair nuff

just been on the receiving end of something similar (Ie - I was misquoted like that)

hunkermunker · 15/07/2008 22:11

Fio, read the bit of the quote I posted. The bit in bold is often said on here and it's wrong - I challenge it wherever I see it.

Please don't make this a class thing.

Carrie, if she hasn't been misquoted, said she's not aware of any evidence that two years of breastfeeding is best for babies in developed countries, when there is stacks of the stuff.

However, since Carrie cannot confirm or deny what she's said just yet, it's not fair to bang on about it. Suffice to say I've been misquoted (well, misrepresented, I guess) and it's irritating in the extreme.

carriemumsnet · 21/07/2008 18:07

Hi all

Just back from hols so apologies for delayed response.

I do recall the phone conversation with the Scottish journalist - mostly as it was the day before my hols and I was in company of all 3 of my children on the way into a music class and it was all rather chaotic. But I'm pretty sure despite this, that I can remember most of what I said and it wasn?t all as reported .

She said there was some directive in Scotland saying mums were being told they had to breastfeed for 2 years - ok journo alarm bells should have started to ring, but time was short so I immediately went into my - yes extended breastfeeding is important and v popular on Mumsnet but we have to get people started on breastfeeding -rant which went something like ...

Everyone knows breast is best and lots of people who breastfeed for two years and beyond on Mumsnet, but the crucial thing is to get people started on breastfeeding in the first place.

It would be a shame if people being told that they had to breastfeed for two years put them off even trying. We know from many threads on Mumsnet that some people find the first few days or weeks tricky, so we'd be keen to see more help directed, and particularly more peer to peer help, to help women establish breastfeeding and want to stick with it.

That said if people need help or encouragement to stick to the guidelines and keep on breastfeeding to two years and beyond then Mumsnet is definitely the place to come.

That was what I was expecting them to use.

Having had the time to pause/reflect/ take stock (and read this thread) I wish that I'd also made tiktok's point about society/ workplace etc making it easier for people to breastfeed for longer and will certainly try and get that point across next time I'm asked (if I'm ever allowed to speak on this subject again)

On the WHO, guidelines - and here I have to ?fess up - I admitted to the journo that I wasn?t completely up to date, as I?d thought that the guidelines were exclusive b/feeding for 6 months and then recommended along with solids for minimum a year. ie I didn't realise that the current guidelines were saying two years, which is not the same as saying there's no evidence for it. As you say Hunker I probably should have known my facts and if I'd been at work I might have checked with you all, (as reethi96 points out, checking the WHO site might not have helped) but I was caught on the hop, she had a deadline and so did I.

We talked about the third world and how vital extended breastfeeding was there, but certainly not in terms of the guidelines only applying to the third world. At one point I talked about guidelines being guides that were often debated on Mumsnet but ultimately people chose to follow or not - but again not in the way that that final quote came out! Basically I gabbled for about 10 mins and they used every 7th word (approx)

Anyway, thanks for allowing me to give my side of the story (though even I can see why I may have needed subbing ? note to self to be more concise and to the point). I?m genuinely sorry that by failing to ask to check copy (and perhaps being less than well prepared) I've damaged the cause - and won't be making that mistake again.

Carrie

tiktok · 21/07/2008 18:20

carrie, I understand the difficulties you faced and your explanation.

It'll help to have a 'line' to trot out on this issue for all bf questions - it saves a heck of a lot of bother and it becomes clear when there is a misquote.

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