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Why the 'Breast is Best' Campaign is Totally CRAP!!!

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highlander · 01/02/2005 21:15

I'm damn angry about this.

DH's cousin gave birth last week. Had no intention to BF, but persuaded by the midwives to give it a go. So she did. 2 days later, my MIL phoned me to say that she's a bit worried about the baby as she sleeps all the time. Apparently mum has voiced this concern to the hospital staff - nothing done. Baby screams for hours on day 4, midwives say the doctor will call on Monday morning. Doctor says baby has lost too much weight and must be switched to formula as she 'clearly isn't taking to BF'.

At no point did anyone suggest that the baby needed to be fed every 2-3 hours etc etc.

Breast is Best, but it's fucking useless unless hospital staff are trained properly.

I know it's against MN policy, but don't rely on advice for BF in Antrim Area hospital.

Flounce, rant over.

PS off out for a walk, don't be miffed if I don't contribute for a while

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Chandra · 04/02/2005 11:34

How much does it cost to train a nurse as a breastfeeding advisor? Is there any charity that works to raise money to train maternity guard nurses? I wouldn't mind doing some work to have somebody from the hospital trained. Although with the current time a new mother spends in the hospital after birth I very much doubt they will be able to spot a problem before the woman leaves the ward.

Annner · 04/02/2005 18:38

I had my daughter in a baby-friendly hospital - but it didn't make any difference. We had the oh so typical experience of each midwife or HCA singing from a different song sheet, of having boob thrust into babe, of going through the motions without really checking see whether she was properly latched.

There wasn't even anywhere suitable to feed - all they had were normal hospital chairs with wooden arms and a backward tilting seat. No footstools, either. And after a section? yeah, I can hold a nine lb baby while sitting up in bed: ouch! DD was very sleepy for the first two days, and showed huge difficulty in latching from the outset, but I was never invited to express my milk or to cup feed. I was never encouraged to wake her, either. I don't think that I ever saw the same midwife or HCA twice.

I wasn't happy that she was feeding properly or even enough. I had had a c-section, and couldn't reach her out of her cot by myself (I'm very short) Yet a midwife told me that I "had no clinical need for a bed" on the basis of seeing DD feed once, and even though I made it clear that I was not happy that she was feeding properly. I was still discharged that day, on the third day after a section. Although it was technically my decision to go home, she made it clear that I would not be regarded as being in need of care if I had decided to stay in. So I went home.

On day six my daughter had lost 2lbs - nearly 20% of her body weight. SHe would have alreay been losing weight while we were in hospital. We were saved from having her taken into SCBU for tube feeding by my mother (a midwife) coming to stay and teaching us to cup feed.

Her tongue tie was not identified until she was three weeks old and I had been expressing, cupfeeding and trying in vain to get her to feed for two weeks.

All of this happened twelve miles up the road from a large teaching hospital where they are experts in working on tongue tie and its effects on infant feeding.

OK, so now we are getting along really well - at 12 weeks she has put on 9 oz a week for the last three weeks, and we felt at 9 weeks that b'feeding had finally been established. However, we were dependent on NCT counsellors, a very good HV and my mum. A combination of volunteers and luck. Why does it have to be this way?

Baby-friendly is not in itself an answer: from our experience, the hospital seemed to think that once they had ticked a few boxes ("skin to skin?" - yep; "rooming in ?" - Yep! "no formula offered?" - yep!) they had done their bit. My community midwife lamented the lack of facilities on the ward, of training, and general lip service paid. And of course, the lack of midwives and use of agency staff also played their role.

Had I seen the same midwife more than once, had somebody skilled really looked at dd trying to feed, had I stayed in longer ... perhaps things could have been different and we could have been spared some of the stress we went through.

Sorry to hijack, but the issue of lip-service being paid to bd instead of real funding being provided where it is needed is a real sore point for us!

Annner

highlander · 04/02/2005 19:20

Anner, the lengths you've gone to to BF is amazing. I think I would have been tempted to give up!

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Annner · 04/02/2005 21:14

... we came close to giving up several times. My dh was fantastic, and was always there with encouragement when I was feeling useless and a failure. It was as hard for him, as I was ranting and raving about how useless my body was, which was upsetting, and he could do nothing to lift the burden. However, he could now do a lot better job than many hospital midwives! I knew that I would be in deep do-doos emotionally had I given up, as for me, I identified motherhood with b'feeding. Yikes; high risk "strategy", and it was fear of PND that kept me going at times, but that is just the way I am.

JulieF · 04/02/2005 22:07

My son definately needed to be woken. he was very sleepy and jaundiced. He also wasn't latching on effictevely so got into a viscious cycle of getting more jaundiced and more sleepy. Eventually, something distressed him so much that he refused the breast completely.

Luckily I had a home birth and had a very supportive midwife. I also had great support from an NCT breastfeeding counsellor aong with others. I spent around a month expressing and cup feeding before he started ot learn how to latch on. He took about 6 weeks to regain his birth weight. He had dropped from 5lb14oz to 4lb 10oz.

CHANDRA - In my NCT branch a local midwife who works in the area of breastfeeding supp0ort has chosen to train as a breastfeeding counsellor with the NCT. We are currently fundraising to pay for this.

edam · 04/02/2005 22:26

why is naming hospitals out of order? don't we deserve to know which the worst offenders are, so we can either avoid or be prepared?

HunkerMunker · 04/02/2005 22:39

All those who've said more support (and funding for it) is needed, have you written to your MPs? You can, at Fax Your MP

Hazellnut · 06/02/2005 14:47

I had dd two weeks ago - I had to be induced 3 weeks early very suddenly and ended up after 3 days of inducing have an emergency ceasarian. DD was tiny - 4 lbs 10 and so they told me she had to take 20-25 ml of milk every 3 hours but they also expected me to breast feed. DD would not breast feed and I didn't know how to so we would spend 30-45 mins trying, me getting upset, DD getting frustrated and then too knackered to take anything at all. She would then be cup fed but they would not let me cup feed so after a pretty traumatic birth followed by dd being in scbu for a few hours I could not feed her at all. The hospital did have a breastfeeding counsellor who turned up on the tuesday (I had had dd in the middle of Sunday night) at 8.30 in the morning when I hadn't slept for about 4 nights, forced me to wake up, miss breakfast and spent hours trying to get dd breastfed. I felt that everyone was expecting me to breastfeed but tried to force it rather than help.
In the end I had to say that I wanted to express and bottle feed to top up because I needed to be able to feed dd somehow rather than someone else doing it and if they didn't let me cup feed this was the only way I was able to do it in hospital. As it is, I think this method is working well as dd is putting on weight really well but maybe with a different approach (i.e. they had let me cup feed) I would have perservered with bf longer and not had to go through feeling guilty cos I am not bfing.

Other than that my hospital was great and the level of care was excellent but I felt pretty bad about this whole experience.

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