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Milk supply diminishing fast

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Mooskey · 03/06/2008 15:04

I am having a massive problem trying to bf my DS and wondered if anyone else has come across my situation or has any advice.

DS is 10 mths now and I've been constantly struggling to bf him from day 1. BF'ing didn't get off to a great start- elective CS and hospital midwives worried about his blood sugar levels so was 'forced' into giving formula top ups. He always had a great suck and latched on well. At home, found that I was trying to feed him most of the day and night. The worst time of day were the marathon evening sessions which went on from 4 or 5 pm until 1 or 2 am (feeding on and off)after which he would still be starving hungry and I would have to resort to a bottle, which he would guzzle down before going to sleep. After seeking advice from bf clinic, I tried to feed or express every 2 hrs for 2 days and it made no difference at all. Just got less than half ounce from expressing.

Things have got progressively worse- I am now in this terrible vicious circle where I can't produce enough milk and LO won't suck for very long when milk flow is non-existent (just pulls away or falls asleep and won't suck properly). I managed ok for good few weeks feeding him myself for most of the day and in the night, but milk supply would be almost non-existent by late pm and evening and I had to resort to more and more formula. As he has started to sleep through till 6 or 7 now, I no longer do a night feed (the only time when I felt full and was able to feed him properly). This has had a major detrimental impact on my milk supply and now have tiny amounts for the first morning feed which wasn't really a big problem before.

My milk supply has just about finished- he gets a few minutes before getting frustrated. Although I have persevered in getting him to suck for at least half an hour most times, my milk supply has still not increased. I've now taken to expressing at 3 am to try to boost supply. I have tried 3 days of expressing/feeding every 2 hrs (exhausting and seemed to have no effect at all), have tried using a lactaid, taken fenugreek and domperidone (all to no effect).

Although I am under no illusions that I will ever be able to exclusively bf, I would like at least to get back to bf'ing for most of the feeds and accept that I will probably never be able to do the evening ones. All the books and bf consultants I've spoken to say that it should be possible to relactate, which is the one thing that has kept me going. However, I spoke to Clare Byam-Cook (author of many books on bf'ing) and she said that in her experience, some women are never able to produce enough milk no matter what they do- its just one of those things. I am feeling really bad about it and am trapped in a downward spiral. I wondered if anyone else has also tried everything and were still unable to build their milk supply- or am I the only one???

As an aside, the latching and weight gain have never been an issue.

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hunkermunker · 03/06/2008 15:08

Have you been supplementing with formula for the whole ten months?

Because if not, and if latching and weight gain aren't a problem, I'm not sure why you are worried about your supply?

tiktok · 03/06/2008 15:09

Mooskey - how old is your baby? Must be 10 weeks, surely, but you say 10 mths???

Confirm what his age is, and I will post back with some thoughts.

hunkermunker · 03/06/2008 15:10

Sorry, just reread and seen you've been giving formula.

Clare Byam-Cook isn't a reliable source of information, I'm afraid [understatement]

chipmonkey · 03/06/2008 15:41

Agree with hunker re Clare Byam-Cook. Dome very dodgy advice in thabook by her that I read. Am not an "expert" but have bf 4 babies.

BouncingTurtle · 03/06/2008 16:03

Yes I have one of her books, thought it was great when I read it pre-baby, when I looked at it post baby, I thought though some of the advice was helpful some of it was complete bollocks*

And as for "some women are never able to produce enough milk no matter what they do", this is a very tiny minority - the vast majority, with the right support can.

It is all about supply and demand - the more your baby feeds the more milk you produce. If you are serious about wanting to relactate, keep bring baby to the rest, have a babymoon, lots of skin to skin contact, feeding in the bath etc. I would also strongly recommend you contact a breastfeeding counsellor from the NCt or LaLecheLeague they will be able to advise you a lot better.

*this is MY opinion, so don't blame Mumsnet!

Mooskey · 03/06/2008 16:36

Sorry- meant to say that DS is 10 weeks old, not 10 mths!

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tiktok · 03/06/2008 16:45

Aha, 10 weeks.....

CBC has not written 'many' books and the couple she has written do not chime with up to date knowledge and research in many places, though she does not get it all wrong. A very, very small no. of women do have an underlying issue with supply, but where there is an ongoing issue, it is often traceable back to crappy support in the early days (as happened with you).

I don't understand why you think there is an issue with supply with no latching problems, no weight gain problems, and why you think the baby has to suck for a certain time...you talk about him sucking for half an hour, but many babies really don't need anythng like that time to get what they need. Expressing is not a way to judge any of this, either.

can you fill in some more details - why you think you have a supply problem? Is it because he needs to feed frequently?

chipmonkey · 03/06/2008 16:50

Mooskey, are you still having problems with your duo?

lucysnowe · 03/06/2008 17:02

Have you seen www.lowmilksupply.org/ ? There may be some useful specialist advice there. With regards to the fenugreek, are you taking enough so that your wee smells of maple syrup? Well done for persevering thus far, you're an inspiration!

sallyforth · 03/06/2008 21:04

I have had probs with persistent low supply - see my summary here. Would recommend MOBI Motherhood International website and mailing list.

Mummyfor3 · 03/06/2008 22:08

Anybody have any ideas what to do for DS3 who is 10 weeks old, BF for hours on end day and night since he was born. He has dropped from over 50th centile to 15th and is ALWAYS unhappy, although lots of wet and dirty nappy, smiling, looks well, v good head control etc. Sally, great link. Sorry to write on 2 threads re same problem.

ilovewashingnappies · 03/06/2008 22:24

Growth spurt?

ilovewashingnappies · 03/06/2008 22:34

Sounds very similar to my dd.

Firstly if weight gain and latch goo -well done!!!! Has ds reached birth weight yet?

I had c-sections and had difficulties breast feeding. From getting home from hospital till about 6/7 weeks and felt like all I did was feed and feed and that there was no milk. I couldn;t express any milk, breasts never felt full, never squirted. Emily would fuss after just a few minutes - that lasted a few months till we settled.

I was advised the following:

Just because baby is sucking and never EVER stops doesn;t meant there's no milk. My dd used to suckle constantly from about 4 till 12 at night...... apparently this is what she did to get through 5 hours sleep at night.

Obviously everyone is different but two things:

Do see a infant feeding coordinator. Not just one HV or one midwife.

Don't worry about the odd bottle (one a day?) in the long term it didn;t upset my supply and gave me a rest.

I constantly worried I had no milk and went regulalry to a support group and it got MUCH better. DD is now 9 months and still breast fed.

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