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Just seen this and wondered what the MN POV is??

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SpookyMadMummy · 27/05/2008 17:39

I rarely venture onto BF threads, but I saw this article on the Daily Mail website and I was
here

What do you think of the article?

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smallwhitecat · 27/05/2008 17:46

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lulumama · 27/05/2008 17:48

i do not rate her in terms of her breastfeeding advice

the salient point is that midwives do not alway s have the time or the ability to support breastfeeding

everything else in that article is an ad for her books

evenhope · 27/05/2008 17:58

Full of conflicting messages. As most HC professionals I've met have the attitude that at the first hitch you reach for a bottle I don't recognise these dogmatic mws who are allowing babies to starve.

wonderstuff · 27/05/2008 18:03

classic dm

kazbeth · 27/05/2008 19:02

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BabiesEverywhere · 27/05/2008 19:24

Interesting that she feels so many women in the UK can't breastfeed. Strange that places with good breastfeeding support, like Norway, don't encounter this problem.

Racers · 27/05/2008 19:48

Kazbeth, exactly what I came back to the thread to comment on. Ridiculous!

Madlentileater · 27/05/2008 19:50

well, my dinner has just arrived (pizza) so must dash but just allow me to point out that the DM records NO comments in response to this article, so, ladies, how about it?

tittybangbang · 27/05/2008 19:58

Two facts about CBC that should tell you all you need to know about why she slags off volunteer counsellors

  1. She charges £100 a pop for her advice. BFC do it for free.

  2. She only bf her own babies for a very short time (a few weeks) before turning to formula. Hence her anger at the voluntary organisations who only train women who've bf for 6 months or more.

tittybangbang · 27/05/2008 20:09

Wanted to add, I know a mum who went to see her. This mum came back ranting and raving about how rubbish the NCT bfcs were - the ones who'd they'd already seen who'd not been able to guarantee her completely problem free, easy feeding from week one. I'm sure that CBC put the words in this mum's mouth. She was adament that CBC was fantastic and had sorted out all her problems - encouraged her to use nipple shields to overcome the pain she was experiencing. Three weeks later the mum let slip that feeding was still really difficult, partly because now she had thrush on top of everything else.......

PInkyminkyohnooo · 27/05/2008 20:22

Every time I come across one of these links, it reinforces to me why I don't read the Daily Mail. Never heard of the woman, and why does the fact that she's advised some actresses on breastfeeding give her views added credence? From these posts she sounds like another of these people who are making money out of new mum's anxieties. Very sad.

weasle · 27/05/2008 21:08

I read the article then thought about it when bathing my ds. Like lots of daily mail things, it initially sounds reasonable, but then you think about it abit and it is utter poison!

'This idea that every woman can breastfeed because she has a pair of breasts is ludicrous,' she argues. 'It's like saying no one should become diabetic because we all have a pancreas.

err, about 1 in 300 people in the UK take insulin. That is 0.3%. I bet over 50% of women who don't bf till 6mo 'didn't have enough milk' or 'couldn't keep up with baby' etc etc. In the 1970s mums it was probalby 80% of them who didn't have enough milk! And I find the cow reference (duff milkers!!) quite insulting as sopmeone who has struggled with bf.

Interesting that she only bf for a few weeks, that is what I guessed from that comment. I mean, bf isn't just about starting off, how about weaning, expressing, going back to work, bf when pg, tandem feeding etc. A bfc should know a bit about these. And I bet a lot of bfc have gone into it BECAUSE they found it tough. Does she know how many found it wonderful? No evidence, just her opinion, which happens to help sell books/her advice.

good point about Norway babieseverywhere.

While Byam-Cook is not promoting bottlefeeding....Top Tips For Bottlefeeding, £6.99

Glad I have got that off my chest. It's the kind of thing MIL pushes under my nose with a 'see, I am right, it's not for everyone' comment.

PinkTulips · 27/05/2008 21:46

'And many breastfeeding organisations will only recruit and train as breastfeeding counsellors women who have themselves breastfed for six months.

'Immediately, you are attracting the wrong people. These women have already found breastfeeding both wonderful and easy.'

i found bf excrutiatingly painful, intensly difficult and bloody frustrating for weeks (months with dc1). i ended up doing it for 12 months with her and am on 22 months and counting with ds. and i know i'm not the only one who had a rough start and kept going beyond 6 months.

tbh, i could pick another 10 comments from that article that made me but there's not much point, it'll just wind me up and lifes too short.

i've come to the conclusion that those of us who want to bf will just be stubborn about it and do it regardless and those who don't really will find a reason not to, whther it be 'lack of milk' or another reason. and who cares anyway? their babies don't seem to be dying on the streets, they seem happy and healthy and generally not deprived in any way. i'm done wasting any concern over it.

MW do give shockingly bad advice, as do mothers, MIL, friends, HVs and GPs. but tbh, i've come to believe that one of the most negative effects on bf rates is the guilt trip laid on during pregnancy that 'if you don't bf you're failing your child'. the stress and guilt this causes new moms is probably the root of more failed bf-ing attempts than all the other variables put together.

instead of 'just relax and give it a go' mothers are given pages of do's and don'ts and told 'if it hurts you're doing it wrong'. of course formula seems easy in comparison.

the only way i got through bf-ing was by telling myself i'd just give the colostrum and see how it went. every day i figured it might be my last.... much easier than a sentance of '6 months to 2 years or you've failed'

sorry, rant over

wonderstuff · 27/05/2008 22:10

DM is just an awful awful paper, really don't give it any weight. The critism of the nose to nipple advice, you wouldn't put a bottle teat to a babies nose... doesn't bloody hurt if baby gets poor latch on a bottle does it?? God I'm getting drawn in, must go to bed, must not read DM again...

ibblewob · 27/05/2008 22:47

I've always wondered about the "not enough milk" argument. What happened before formula? Or in societies that don't have it? Agree that the prize milkers / duff milkers comment is irrelevant at best - but do even "duff milker" cows have enough to feed their own calves (as opposed to having surplus milk to sell).

That probably doesn't make any sense - I'm off to bed!

jamila169 · 28/05/2008 00:09

All i can say on this woman is -Google her name
click on the first link and much will become clear

louii · 28/05/2008 00:18

She is not the best advisor for breastfeeding.

welliemum · 28/05/2008 02:13

But pinktulips, who is saying '6 months to 2 years or you've failed'?

I've never ever heard this or read it, not anywhere.

I'm as pro-bf as it's possible to be, but I think that's a ridiculous thing to say.

So who's saying it?

FairyMum · 28/05/2008 06:42

Gave up reading the article at the word of "extremists".

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