Sometimes hate BFing when out, giving a formula bottle why would this be bad?

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if indeed it has any negatives, my 10 wk old already accepts a EBM bottle so wouldnt be nip-confused.

if you want to do bottles when out why don't you stick to EBM?

Unless you're using the readymade cartons, it seems like quite a faff to me to get the formula bottle made up according to the new guidelines. Why not take EBM out with you?

building up an expressed bottle takes ages and is such hard work to feed child then express a bit then feed child express a bit more feed child express... i dunno im being lazy spose

I think you may struggle with leaking tbh, when i fed expressed milk from a bottle I used to leak terribly.

No, not being lazy.

Just interested, but why do you sometimes hate feeding when out?

I know v little about formula, but have seen some of the threads recently about correct preparation and it seems far too complicated for me. Something to do with making a bottle with water not less than 70degrees, then having to cool it down. Quite a faff, but related to infant deaths in I think belgium or holland as a result of formula not being sterile. I think.

he gets narky when im expressing in between like theres not a full feed for him like normal and it means a whole day of him grizzling and me constantly having my boobs out!

just not confident i end up with my whole boob out faffing round he latches off gets stressed, milk squirting everywhere, both flustered and my big belly hanging out

Oh I hated my tummy showing too. I found that wearing vest under a shirt or top meant that I could put the vest under my boob, with the shirt hoicked up and still not show stomach. Would have a breast pad in the maternity bra to catch drips and a muslin to hand as well.
You can buy breastfeedng tops that have a sort of flap or hidden access.

DD accepted ready-made cartons (from others, she didn't take a bottle from me until she was much older) and they are by far the easiest thing to do when out and about. The only thing that I would be concerned about is messing up the supply (if you do this a lot) or engorged, leaky boobs (if you're out for a long time).

I would always bottle feed when out.Same as you dds would want to look around and I hated boobs out it may be natures way but not for me so what, a bottle now and again didnt harm them and you can buy ready made cartons you just pop in your bag.

Well, since you're asking about negatives... if you haven't already given formula then you might want to google the virgin gut theory. Haven't read up on it in a while but basically the theory is that any formula mucks around with the flora in the gut and ruins some of the benefits of breastmilk.

"why would this be bad?"

the main reason for exclusive breastfeeding is to maintain the virgin gut.

"Very small amounts of formula or solid foods destroy this protective coating. Just one formula supplement per 24 hours will result in an almost immediate shift from breastfed to formula-fed gut flora - in which good bacteria (Bifidobacteria) are no longer dominant. (Mackie, Sghir, Gaskins, 1999. Bullen, Tearle, Stewart, 1977)"

taken from a very good article on the virgin gut here

I second suzi2, have heard it messes up the way the gut digests for good. But this is a very touchy subject.

If you are commited to breastfeeding maybe you need to find ways of doing it in public that don't make you feel self-concious.
Or just brazen it out, it's only for a few months after all...

thisisyesterday - would giving friendly bacteria help?

I don't think so shitemum, because basically although you would then have lots of good bacteria, you've still lost that protective coating within the gut.
because the gut in a small baby is "open" that then allows other bacteria and proteins to pass into the blood stream.

I approached with a little caution as I know it's a touchy subject. But it was a very nice mumsnetter that once told me and I was very glad as my reasons for breastfeeding may have been voided by giving formula. So since it's a 'negatives' thread I felt safe to mention it lol.

Firstly alright it wouldn't be "bad" if that is what you want to do, but it does seem a shame. It may not seem this way at the moment but bing able to feed on demand while out with no hassle is one of the benefits of bfing! It probably seems like a military operation at the moment but you will soon get used to it and you will both be experts in no time.

Is there a feeding room in town? Vests are a great idea.

Also, it may seem illogical, but expressing between feeding doesn't mean there is less next time, quite the opposite in fact, the more stimulation your boobs receive the more milk you will produce. It probably seems v complicated at the moment but have you tried to express while you are feeding DS. My DD has been bfing for nearly 10 months and I have only just figured out how to do this and realised that it means I can get loads of milk by taking advantage of the let-down when she is feeding.

thisisyesterday - so how come all those studies have not turned up more allergies in people who were bottle-fed?

I know a little bit about good and bad gut bacteria as I have candida albicans in the gut and food allergies as a result of stuff getting back out into the bloodstream through minute holes in the gut wall caused by the bad bacteria which turn into fungi and make the holes, apparantly....

If it's any consolation, it does get easier to feed whilst out and about. I used to focus all my attention on DD and that way I wouldn't see whether anyone was looking. If I couldn't see them, they weren't there iyswim. Agree that veest under clothes are great for concealing post pg bellies, and looser tops with a strategically placed muslin ensure that very little is actually on display for any length of time.

As for laziness.....surely just being able to breast feed quickly is the laziest option of all . In fact, I'm in the process of stopping BFing, and the one thing I do is keep forgetting to take a bottle out with me if we are out for the day. and when i do it seems like much more work.

and as bumper says, as it's all done on supply and demand, expressing between feeds should mean more milk not less.

you'll get there. I had my BF epiphany at about 16 weeks and it was a breeze from there on in

there;'s another good article on the virgin gut here the case for the virgin gut

which studies shitemum?

It is obviously up to you, but I think you just need more practice. I took DS and DD to France and to Wales on my own (from London) before DD was 5 months old, and I can remember thinking that the stress of sterilizing bottles and faffing around with formula on these trips would have sent me over the edge.

Have breasts, will travel.

Just off topic shitemum (that should be my username lol), how do you get a diagnosis for this candida thingyamy? I have numerous allergies and the last year have been under the care of a dermatologist for my skin, which shows no improvement. Just wondered if it was another avenue to explore...

Why "sometimes" and not others ? tbh it is such a faff to prepare freshly I wouldn't bother. Also even at 10 weeks missing a feed could be uncomfy and affect supply, more so than expressing might (sounds more like a coincidence that it should upset him).

thisisyesterday - Umm, thought there were lots of studies that the people who think there's nothing wrong with formula so why bother bfeeding trundle out whenever anyone disagrees?

(Disclaimer - I know there are many women who want to bfeed and can't and I really feel for them, but I don't feel anything but annoyance towards those who don't bother to find out the benefits of bfeeding or even try it. It may be a question of choice but I think in many cases it's an uninformed choice, and why does the baby not get a choice? There, I've said it.)