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Callum isn't feeding properly, he sucks for about a minute, and then screams.

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SparklyGothKat · 10/04/2008 16:13

I don;t know what to do. He isn't getting enough. Should I give up now?

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becaroo · 11/04/2008 19:12

Good. Maybe mixed feeding is the way to go with this little one.....Does he bf mostly at night? I knew someone who mixed fed both her dcs because they both bf happily at night but really didnt want to know during the day...it drove her mad! She would have much prefered it the other way round lol!!!

SparklyGothKat · 11/04/2008 19:21

He has started sleeping through the night, he feeds beautifully in the morning, but after that he is a screaming, angry baby

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Monkeybird · 11/04/2008 22:30

Sparkly, have posted earlier but just wanted to see how you were getting on...

sorry this is so long but thought I'd share my thoughts, even if they turn out to be irrelevant!

It could be a nursing strike. I've become well-versed in these lately since my DS3 has had loads and we're just on the end of a nasty two week period of 'striking' in which I really thought I was gonna have to give up BF... Today was the first day he had NO bottles of formula at all so I'm chuffed.

It might not be that at all but the 'angry with you/breast' sounds very familiar... Is he hungry but refusing to suck?

Does he glug the formula you've been offering down though? (ie he DOES want milk, he just doesn't seem to want it from you at the mo?)

If you think this is the case, I feel for you. Nursing strikes are tough, and after you've been through such a battle to BF it's disheartening. I felt awful for weeks.

But there's hope!

LLL advisors were brilliant on this. I know you said you didn't feel a letdown (this was why I asked) but for me, the slowness of the letdown seemed to be frustrating for my boy. So he'd suck for a shorter and shorter period each time he went back on and after 20 mins of battling he'd just give up.

So, if you think it is a nursing strike (and it might not be) here's what I know:

Standard advice is all the closeness/kangaroo care type stuff you prob already know about - skin to skin, baths together, cosleeping and just let him gradually get used to it again. Forcing it on him can make it worse.

IT can sometimes be caused by disturbance at the breast - parents shouting, baby biting and getting a reaction, noisy family (we've got all of these in our house!) or by teething or ear ache or other discomfort. Too fast weaning was also an issue for us...

The skin to skin stuff didn't help too much but here's what did:

Taking him off to feed him to a quiet dark place
Feeding him in the same place every time as much as feasible
Making feedings fun for long enough for him to stay in one place and be a bit 'distracted' while feeding - thanks to some lovely MNer for this suggestion - so we did a bit of gentle tickling and playing round and round the garden and this little piggy went to market and this seemed to cheer him up and he'd often go back to sucking a bit longer...
A genius idea - well it worked for me and my slow letdown - from the LLL. Do deep breathing before and as you start to feed. Do long slow outbreaths. Visualise counting backwards from 10, seeing the numbers coming towards you as you breath in and then away from you, long and slow as you breath out. Practise this every feed, in the same chair etc...

It works! The reason is the letdown whether or not you feel it is a conditioned response and this helped me to focus on something other than stressing about the feed. After some days, I found that I was getting to 7 or 6 before he was glugging rather than 2... It really helped me to feel it was making progress too.

And even if he does find formula bottles easier for now, my experience is it DOES NOT have to mean the end of BF at all, but you do need to help yourself get through a nursing strike as it's really really tough....

SparklyGothKat · 11/04/2008 22:38

Thank you Monkey.

I managed to feed him about 2 hours after the formula that Dd1 gave him earlier and he fed lovely, and we had no screaming, hitting or getting angry He had another feed this evening while laying with me on the sofa and again he fed well.

My house is a noisy house, and I am sure that doesn't help. I have tried to feed him in his room (I have a nursing chair) but Dd1 and DD2 keep coming in and disturbing us.

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RGPargy · 11/04/2008 22:39

Hi Sparkly, just come across your thread.

DD started to do this when we introduced a bottle of EBM nightly so that DP could have the pleasure of feeding her. She was getting frustrated with having to work for her milk during the day but wolfed her bottle down at night. In the end we gave up on the EBM completely and now she only has it if we're out somewhere where i'm not comfortable BF (i.e. our visit to the office) or if MIL has DD.

Dont know if you give him a bottle of EBM or anything but thought i'd give you my two pence worth.

Hope you get is sorted soon. x

SparklyGothKat · 11/04/2008 22:40

He is hungery, but refuses to feed. He latches on, gives a suck, pulls off screaming. he did take the formula quickly. I thought he might be refusing the breast because it doesn;t come out as fast as the bottle, but he has been off formula for 2 months, and we were Exclusively BF again.

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SparklyGothKat · 11/04/2008 22:42

Callum doesn;t feed at night anymore, and hasn;t had bottles of EBM or formula for 2 months, we were purely BF.

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RGPargy · 11/04/2008 22:44

So has he taken a whole bottle of formula?? If it's not thrush, it sounds like he's getting very frustrated over something. Must be such a worry for you, especially after all you've been through.

SparklyGothKat · 11/04/2008 22:51

he drank 4oz. I thought I would be feeding him for a long time, after everything I went through to continue BF and now it looks like it flying out the window. I know that if its a nursing strike, we could get through it, and I hope I am strong enough (plus I don;t want to spend £7.20 on formula a week)

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MamaMaiasaura · 11/04/2008 22:56

sparkly - i dont know if this is helpful but read on a another thread about how someone blamed the bf for baby not settling when it wasnt anything ot do with bf. Anyway she didnt know at the time and turned to ff. Baby continued crying so it wasnt the bf. However the baby now lost the 'comfort' and soothing factor of bf. Is easy to think it is you and the bfing that is distressing but is unlikely and maybe he has earache (my baby has this atm and pulls off as hurts to suck but still hungry and needing comfort so going back on), or may have toothache, may be uncomfy, may be over tired or over hungry.

Monkeybird · 11/04/2008 22:57

sparkly, does he have a dummy at all?

SparklyGothKat · 11/04/2008 22:59

yes he has a dummy (check out my pics with him and a HUGE dummy (its not really huge he is tiny lol))

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Monkeybird · 11/04/2008 23:01

BTW it's not all over - you yourself have said that today you've had some really good feeds.

I do know how tough it is when you're tired and you have a shite time trying to feed them and they refuse. It really does feel like it would be easier to give up. Bumperlicious has been through this too also maybe she can reassure you... One or two bottles of formula are not the end of BF. The LLL counsellor reassured me that it is more important to make sure they're hydrated and not starving so that BF remains a pleasurable thing and not just a big hungry battle.

Maybe write down how the feeds go or record them on here on a thread? That way you'll be able to remind yourself of what actually happened rather than what it seems like in the awful times?

Monkeybird · 11/04/2008 23:02

Gotta go feed mine he's skriking but LLL advised to get rid, since he can then get more comfort sucking from me... We went cold turkey a week ago. Farking awful at first but it did improve his BF...

not for faint hearted will post more later if I can...

SparklyGothKat · 11/04/2008 23:04

[scared] Give up the dummy!!!??? but but but......... its his dummy!!

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Monkeybird · 11/04/2008 23:29

back again

I know. My 3 kids have been welded to their dummies - I've always had such fierce and sucky babies...

But was persuaded since BF was more important and since I still was BF I figured if I could be fully available for him to suck when he wanted, he wouldn't suffer too much.

we decided to go cold turkey since he's too little to understand a gradual reduction and would be cruel to not let him have it when he's expecting it one time only to give it to him another time...

First few days were awful - he wanted to suck sometimes and didn't want a faceful of milk so was cross. But I persevered with lots of rocking and humming during those times.

Now a week later it is a LOT easier. We haven't used the dummy once, his BF is improving (no formula today) and he is much much happier seeing the breast as a comfort - more than ever in fact - just now I fed him and he just carried on until really sleepy. For the first time EVER he has gone down in his cot with no dummy OR rocking for 10 mins, awake but smiling and drowsy and (touch wood - waiting for the scream) I think he has gone to sleep by himself!

So I think taking the dummy away may have been a result on lots of levels, esp the BF...

After all as someone wise on here once said, it's the dummy that is a replacement nipple, not the other way round...

Might help. Might not.

Monkeybird · 11/04/2008 23:32

the other thing I tried which helped in the early days of nursing strikes was to feed him in his sleep. LLL advise this since babies often will do this when asleep or very sleepy. It keeps them in the habit, gets some milk into them, reassures you...

I didn't like this at first since I thought it was more forcing myself on him but since he fed quite happily in his sleep but not when awake, I did it and it really helped me to feel BF was carrying on.

SparklyGothKat · 11/04/2008 23:52

but its his dummy!!He loves his dummy All my babies had dummies.

I will take on board everything you have said and will try it all!! I am completely knackered so am off to bed soon. Dd1 is at her carers house tomorrow so have to get up early..

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Monkeybird · 11/04/2008 23:57

sparkly, he has! the little bugger has gone to sleep all by himself, no dummy, no rocking. Bless...

Anyway, back to you. Think on it tomorrow because it does require nerves of steel. DH asked me many times 'so why are we giving up the dummy again?' when he screeched at 4am...

But it is gradually getting better and it has I think helped the nursing strike...

But before something so drastic, why not try all the other things first - it was last resort for me...
Let me know how it goes...?

SparklyGothKat · 12/04/2008 23:25

callum has been feeding a lot better today, he had one bottle earlier because he refused the breast but he has been better today

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