Meet the Other Phone. Flexible and made to last.

Meet the Other Phone.
Flexible and made to last.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Infant feeding

Get advice and support with infant feeding from other users here.

Desperate for advice re breast feeeding & return to work - not working out :'-(

33 replies

HelloMama · 03/04/2008 19:31

I returned to work this week full time leaving my DD aged 5.5 months at home with daddy (we have swapped roles and he is now a house husband).

Up til now DD has been exclusively breast fed but knowing I was returning to work we have been trying to introduce a bottle over the last few weeks. She is having none of it! We have tried every bottle / beaker / cup, expressed milk, formula milk and water, anything and everything. She is having none of it. We have also tried solids and she is not keen.

The health visitor said as long as she had a good feed in the morning and when I got home from work, it wasn't essential that DD had milk in the day and that eventually she would take other things when she is ready. So we have been trying to be cool about it.

However DD has now cottoned on to the fact that she doesn't need to have anything in the day because she can feed all evening and ALL night. Since last weekend I have been up feeding hourly all evening and all night. This is combined with full time work and I am at breaking point :-( I am so tired. I expected some difficulty in the change in our routine, but I can't carry on like this. Last night DH tried to give expressed milk (at 4am) but as usual she just screamed and cried for an hour + which isn't fair on any of us. It was easier for me just to give in and feed her myself, which I did.

How am I going to get out of this cycle? I don't want to stop breast feeding altogether but I can't continue at this rate - I was hoping it would just be a few evening feeds and also first thing in the morning, like before! However as she won't take any other substitue we're really stuck. Help :'-(

OP posts:
krc · 03/04/2008 19:47

Oh HelloMama, I sympathise. I think I'm going to be in a very similar postition soon... Is your work flexible? Could you pop home at lunchtime to feed her (they are supposed to let you do this)? Or I've heard some people say they've given milk from a spoon - sounds laborious but might take the edge off her thirst.

Ceolas · 03/04/2008 19:55

Not sure if I have any really constructive advice. Are you co-sleeping? If not, could you?

EffiePerine · 03/04/2008 19:58

. DS started feeding more at night when I went back to work too - I think it's called reverse cycling and is pretty common. He was usually feeding 2 hourly tho, which was more manageable.

Could you leave it a few weeks and see what happens? Your DD is probably a bit wound up atm with the change in routine and may have been wakeful anyway. She might settle down once she realises you come back in the evenings .

HelloMama · 03/04/2008 20:35

Thank you for your kind replies. I know part of the problem is that DD is missing me and upset by the change, and that just makes me feel even worse

My boss has been great and suggested I pop home to feed or why doesnt my DH bring her in and I could take extra time to feed her whenever. I just think it could confuse things even more for DD as I won't be able to keep feeding her for ever. Maybe just a few more weeks to ride us over this storm may help though? I will do anything though as I'm so tired and desperate!

OP posts:
HelloMama · 03/04/2008 20:37

We don't co-sleep but she is next to our bed in her crib. She co-slept last night in the end. Not keen to go down that road as we did that with DS age 4yrs, and ended up with all sorts of problems!

OP posts:
moondog · 03/04/2008 20:39

When I returned to work f/t (baby 7 mths) I spent a month going to nursery to breastfeed once a day. It didn't confuse or upset her,if anything it made the transition easier for all of us.

She will eventually take milk form a cup or a bottle you know.It's hard to accept as her mother but she will I pronmise you.

The boss sounds very nice btw.

HelloMama · 03/04/2008 20:51

Think I'm going to try that then.

Boss is v nice. He has 4 children himself and i think secretly desires to be a stay-at-home dad too so he is v sympathetic about child related or any family / social matters. May nominate him for some kind of award although not sure they have an 'employee of the month' incentive scheme within the NHS

OP posts:
moondog · 03/04/2008 20:56

Why not have a practice run one w/end day? Go out for the day and leave dh with some EBM in cup or bottle. i really feel for you. I was in same position and to make it worse dh went abroad on my first day back at work (he is still abroad most of time,7 years later!) it all came good thoguh.

God,sounds like a top bloke.

madness · 03/04/2008 20:57

dd3 settled down at around 8 months (may seem far off but there is light at the end of the tunnel). She started to take more solids and would also drink water.
With ds, if I did work longer evenings, dh would pop in, (more for my relief then ds...)
I also tried to go to bed really really early, sometimes in bed by 8pm

ScienceTeacher · 03/04/2008 20:59

With my first DC, I returned to work at 14 weeks. I did lunchtime feeds at the cm for several weeks, and expressed in the afternoon. When I picked up DS after work, I fed him and expressed at the same time. Basically, I had loads of EBM.

DS did not feed much at the cm, despite being so young. He basically slept in the day, and was awake at night - this is what the Americans call "reverse schedule nursing". I was pretty happy with the situation, tbh. I was happy to feed him in the evenings and at night (we co-slept), and then be unlimited on the weekends.

This worked well for me, and it does take a bit of a culture shift to accept it - but it is worth it if you can get it to work for you.

I had a goal of no foreign proteins until 6 months, and no milk protiens until 9 months. This priciple drove me to stick to the nursing schedule that we had fallen into.

hmummy · 03/04/2008 22:36

Hi, i went through exactly the same when I returned to work when dd was 5 months - found some of these points on Dr Sears website helpful. Really feel for you - I know what it's like to be getting by (and workng) on no sleep!!! hmummy

NIGHT WEANING: 12 ALTERNATIVES FOR THE ALL-NIGHT NURSER
Frequent night nursing is characteristic of high-need children. It's like going to their favorite restaurant. The ambiance is peaceful, the server is familiar, the cuisine is superb, and they love the management. Who can blame the all-night gourmet? Try these suggestions for dealing with all-night nursing:

  1. What's the problem?
How much of a "problem" is the frequent night nursing? This stage of high level night nurturing will pass. Both you and your baby will someday sleep through the night. Yet, if you are sleep deprived to the degree that you are barely functioning the next day, you resent your nighttime parenting style (and your baby), and the rest of your family relationships are deteriorating, you need to make some changes in your nighttime feeding schedule. A parenting principle we learned many kids ago is: IF YOU RESENT IT, CHANGE IT!

Even if you can't get your baby to sleep through the whole night, you can help him cut back on nighttime nursing, making the situation more tolerable for you. Here's how:

  1. Tank your baby up during the day
Toddlers love to breastfeed, yet they are often so busy during the day that they forget to nurse, or mom is so busy that she forgets to nurse. But at night, there you are, only an inch away, and baby wants to make up for missed daytime nursings. (This is a common scenario when a breastfeeding mother returns to work outside the home.) Finding more time to nurse during the day may make the breast less attractive at night.
  1. Increase daytime touch
Wear your baby in a sling and give your baby more touch time during the day. It's easy when babies get older to greatly decrease the amount of touching time without realizing it. All-night nursing can sometimes be a baby's signal reminding mothers not to rush their baby into dependence. In developing a healthy independence, a child leaves and comes back; lets go and clings, step by step until she is going out more than she is coming back. Many mothers have noted that babies and toddlers show an increased need for nursing and holding time right before undertaking a new stage of development, such as crawling or walking.
  1. Awaken baby for a full feeding just before you go to bed
Rather than going off to sleep only to be wakened an hour or two later, get in a feeding when you retire for the night. This way, your sleep will be disturbed one less time, and you'll (hopefully) get a longer stretch of sleep.
  1. Get baby used to other "nursings."
Try wearing him down to sleep in a baby sling. After baby is fed, but not yet asleep, wear him in a baby sling around the house or around the block. When he's in a deep sleep, ease him onto your bed and extricate yourself from the sling. This is a good way for dad to take over part of the bedtime routine. Eventually, your baby will associate father's arms with falling asleep, and he'll be willing to accept comfort from dad in the middle of the night as an alternative to nursing. Other ways to ease your baby into sleep without nursing him include patting or rubbing his back, singing and rocking, or even dancing in the dark to some tunes you like or lullabies you croon.
  1. Make the breast less available
Once your baby has nursed to sleep, use your finger to detach him from the breast. Then pull your nightgown over your breast and sleep covered up. A baby who can't find the nipple quickly may just fall back to sleep. If you can stay awake long enough to put the breast away, he may not latch on again so soon.
  1. Just say no!
When our son, Matthew, was two, Martha felt desperate for sleep if awakened more than two times. I would wake up to hear a dialogue like "Nee" (his word for nurse)?"No!"? "Nee!"? "No!"? "Nee!"? "No, not now. In the morning. Mommy's sleeping. You sleep, too." A firm but calm, peaceful voice almost always did the trick. You can manage to stay peaceful in this situation when you know you are not damaging your very secure, attachment- parented child.
  1. "Nummies go night-night."
Now the marketing begins. Around eighteen months, your child has the capacity to understand simple sentences. Program your toddler not to expect to be nursed when she awakens, such as "We'll nurse again when Mr. Sun comes up." When you nurse her to sleep (or have the first or second night nursing) the last thing she should hear is "Mommy go night-night, Daddy go night-night, baby go night-night, and nummies go night- night" (or whatever she dubs her favorite pacifiers). When she wakes during the night the first thing she should hear is a gentle reminder, "Nummies are night- night. Baby go night-night, too." This program may require a week or two of repetition. Soon she will get the message that daytime is for feeding and nighttime is for sleeping. If "nummies" stay night-night, baby will too -- at least till dawn.
  1. Offer a sub
High-need babies are not easily fooled; they don't readily accept substitutes. Yet, it's worth a try. Remember, nursing does not always mean breastfeeding. Honor your husband with his share of "night nursing" so your toddler does not always expect to be comforted by nummies. This gives dad a chance to develop creative nighttime fathering skills and the child a chance to expand her acceptance of nighttime comforters. Martha notes: "One of the ways we have survived toddler's who wants to nurse frequently during the night was for me to temporarily go off "night call." Bill would wear Stephen down in a baby sling, so he got used to Bill's way of putting him to sleep. When he woke up, Bill would again provide the comfort he needed by rocking and holding him in a neck nestle position, using the warm fuzzy and singing a lullaby. Babies may initially protest when offered father instead of mother, but remember, crying and fussing in the arms of a loving parent is not the same as "crying it out." Dads, realize that you have to remain calm and patient during these nighttime fathering challenges. You owe it to both mother and baby not to become rattled or angry when your baby resists the comfort you offer.

Try this weaning-to-father arrangement on a weekend, or another time when your husband can look forward to two or three nights when he doesn't have to go to work the next day. You will probably have to sell him on this technique, yet we have personally tried it and it does work. Be sure to use these night-weaning tactics only when baby is old enough and your gut feeling tells you that your baby is nursing at night out of habit and not out of need."

  1. Increase the sleeping distance between you If the above suggestions do not entice your persistent night nurser to cut back, yet you still feel you must encourage him to do so, try another sleeping arrangement. Try putting him in a bedside co-sleeper® bassinet, on a mattress or futon at the foot of your bed, or even sleeping in another room with a sibling. Dad or mom can lie down beside baby to comfort him if he awakens. Mom can even nurse, if necessary and then sneak back to her own bed if continued closeness seems to encourage continued waking.
  2. Sleep in another room If your baby persists in wanting to nurse all night, relocate "Mom's All-Night Diner" to another room and let baby sleep next to dad for a few nights. He may wake less often when the breast is not so available and when he does wake, he will learn to accept comfort from dad.
  3. Let baby be the barometer When trying any behavior-changing technique on a child, don't persist with a bad experiment. Use your baby's daytime behavior as a barometer of whether your change in nighttime parenting style is working. If after several nights of working on night weaning your baby is her same self during the day then persist with your gradual night weaning. If, however, she becomes more clingy, whiny, or distant, take this as a clue to slow down your rate of night weaning. Babies will wean and someday they will sleep through the night. This high maintenance stage of nighttime parenting will pass. The time in your arms, at your breast, and in your bed is a relatively short while in the life of a baby, yet the memories of love and availability last forever.
mummyofsofs · 03/04/2008 22:53

Poor you and poor dd....

My dd is very similar but she is now 9 months. Still will not drink milk from a cup, but has recently started having solids and juice from a cup.

Try dd with very weak diluted juice. I know its not recommended but I use sugar free juice that I drink, as she needs something while i'm out.

Also I let her drink from my mug, which is big and bright. I hold it and help her to drink from it. As she is still not great with baby cups. She will not go near bottles.

You just have to keep trying new things. I got so down about this situation but it will get better... x x

mummyofsofs · 03/04/2008 22:53

Poor you and poor dd....

My dd is very similar but she is now 9 months. Still will not drink milk from a cup, but has recently started having solids and juice from a cup.

Try dd with very weak diluted juice. I know its not recommended but I use sugar free juice that I drink, as she needs something while i'm out.

Also I let her drink from my mug, which is big and bright. I hold it and help her to drink from it. As she is still not great with baby cups. She will not go near bottles.

You just have to keep trying new things. I got so down about this situation but it will get better... x x

MirandaG · 03/04/2008 23:49

I have been trying to get DD2 (now 7 months)to take a bottle with no or limited success since before Christmas, until yesterday morning at 3.30am when she finally took it! This was the first bottle I had given her for over a week because I had virtually given up bottles and was giving her milk in a beaker (the little Tommee Tippee ones that the liquid just flows out of). Until this breakthrough she literally seemed unable to suck from the bottle, but would sort of chew some milk out if the side of her mouth and then get cross (or would start batting it away as soon as she saw it). BUT, she learned to suck from the beaker over the last couple of weeks, so dh thinks that when I tried the bottle again, she had learned from the beaker how to suck something that wasn't a breast and bingo she sucked from the bottle. HelloMama I know you said you had tried lots of beakers, but maybe you could try this one. Don't force it at all - just let DD play with it and get used to it for a couple of days and then encourage her to drink from it. Even with the bottle now she won't take it if I try to put it into her mouth - I have to hold it in front of her and she grabs it when shes ready. My DD has been having a lot of yoghurt during the day, which she loves - may be worth trying this too. Also grated cheese - again I let her play with this, and then spoon it in to her. Hope things improve - trying to bf and work is very difficult - in the first week I had to keep going into the loo and hand expressing into a glass... Good luck

maisiestar · 04/04/2008 00:11

HelloMama, I really sympathise with you - I had the same thing with my DD. She didn't take any milk in the day at Nursery (despite all efforts!), but she would drink water from a cup. We also got her to eat a lot of yoghurt - especially greek yoghurt - it was thick enough for some of it to stick as she flung it about!
As others say, it does get better, just batten down the hatches for the next few weeks and aim to just cuddle your little one and sleep - which does mean spending all your time not at work in bed!
Good luck

luvaduck · 04/04/2008 01:31

just a quickie i'm sure you have tried it - but if not worth a go - the doidy cup? we tried it in the evening in the bath, as agame to start with, and bingo! this was after about a month of trying every different bottle. Now he'll take the amadeus cow cup -only about 70ml mind you but 'tis a start...

MirandaG · 04/04/2008 14:35

ps I know you said DD wasn't keen on solids, but have you tried baby rice? I know it's a bit boring, but she may like it for a while until she gets a bigger and is willing to try something more interesting. If you make it with lots of milk you might be able to tank her up for a few hours. Probably best to get your dh to give it to her before you get back so that there is nothing else available!

georgiemama · 04/04/2008 20:43

My DS was very like this, he wasn't much interested in solids (baby rice etc) or a bottle/cup because he knew he could hold out for night time (this was at about seven months). In the end I had to take the advice of stern HV who said he was not going to eat more during the day and therefore sleep all night, until he was made hungry during the day. That meant - wait for it - Controlled Crying. Gulp. It works though. You'll feel really shit for about three days (I suggest you start on a Friday night so you aren't too disturbed for work) and then you will all be sleeping all night, baby will take cup/bottle/solids during day and you'll wonder what all the fuss was about.

And try a Tommee Tippee cup - the free flow one suitable from 4 months. DS still drinks from one at a year, they are easy to hold and babies don't have to suck so hard on them. I'm sure because he was breast fed he found the sucking motion difficult.
Good luck

HelloMama · 04/04/2008 22:00

I am so touched by all your helpful replies, thank you so much - I have been feeling so desperate.

DH bought 2 Tommy Tippee cups with the free flow spout and has made a little progress. DH has also discovered that she quite likes yoghurt so thanks for that tip. Last night was better. I spent the evening with her asleep on my lap and perhaps the fact that I held her for so long made her feel more secure and reassured? Its a start and I felt like a new woman at work today - I even skipped about a bit! lol!

Am going to try and be strong and not breast feed in the day over the weekend so as not to confuse things and mess up the progress DH has made. I don't know if this is the right thing to do. Hopefully next week will be bettter. The ironic thing is that DH got her weighed today to compare to a week ago to see how things are going. We expected a bit of weight loss, but she is a big girl and can afford to lose a few ounces without us having to worry... To our surprise she has gained weight again, so she really is a wonder baby!

OP posts:
MirandaG · 05/04/2008 00:18

I really empathise with you because I have just gone through it myself and now feel like I am on the other side. Great to hear that you have made progress. I think you would be right to stick to the same routine at weekends as well - my DD got used to this v quickly and I think the yoghurts were her main source of calories during the day but she was quite happy with that. (That said I did have the odd feed during the day especially if my boobs were about to explode.) The HV told me it didn't matter if she had three yoghurts a day but I don't think she ever had more than two! Weetabix with formula for breakfast is a good one too. She also likes mashed up banana (with lots of milk) or avocado - very easy sources of fresh food without too much faff. Great news about the weight gain - it amazes me how remarkably resiliant and adaptable babies are!

georgiemama · 05/04/2008 07:29

Sounds like you and DH are doing fab, you don't need us! MirandaG is spot on, DS still loves yoghurt, and banana, and regularly has both for breakfast at home before going to nursery and having another breakfast!! How he only weighs 20 pounds 5 ounces at nearly 13 months with everyhthing he puts away, I have no idea.

HelloMama · 06/04/2008 21:15

A quick update - we tried DD with a bottle this weekend and a different brand of formula... and she drank the whole lot!!! She also had some later in the day! I was with a friend today and gave her some different formula again, in a different type of bottle and she still gobbled it down! So who knows what changed but she will now drink milk from a bottle! We've decided to cut out the solids until she feels more ready for them, but I am sooooo relieved and so is DH! Thank you for all your help everyone - all your comments were really great when I was feeling v stressed

OP posts:
MirandaG · 09/04/2008 00:01

Delighted it all worked out! I went on my first 'date' with dh last weekend leaving a bottle in the fridge that I knew might even be drunk! Hooray - there is life after bf althugh I do feel a bit sad about stopping...

HelloMama · 09/04/2008 19:47

MirandaG did the bottle in the fridge contain something nice for you and DH, or DD? LOL!

I am sad about cutting back on BF because I honestly don't mind doing it at all and DD obviously enjoys it too. However I am still doing evening and night feeds and DD seems to have adapted well to taking milk from both bottle and breast which I am relieved about. She has had nearly 6 months which is pretty good going I think! I think when you stop its like a new era and leaving a part of babyhood behind...

OP posts:
moondog · 09/04/2008 19:57

You've done really well.

You could stil lexpress if you wanted to but with a supply as well established as yours, hopefully you will be able to mix feed as long as yuo want to.

It becomes such a worry doesn't it? noone who hadn't b/fed could ever understand.

Swipe left for the next trending thread