Meet the Other Phone. A phone that grows with your child.

Meet the Other Phone.
A phone that grows with your child.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Infant feeding

Get advice and support with infant feeding from other users here.

How much EBM does your 6-12mo take in one feed? Bottle or cup?

15 replies

NoviceKnitter · 05/03/2008 07:15

DD (8 mo) has never taken more than a couple of ounces from a bottle. We're about to start some sleep training and I want to tank her up before bed. She loves drinking water from a cup so was thinking if I try giving her EBM in that she might take more. Would love to hear how much others can get their LOs to take.
Thanks

OP posts:
Mikafan · 05/03/2008 13:28

My DD is 10 months and won't drink any more than 4oz of EBM from a bottle at a time and not at all from a cup, still on bottles. She will sip a bit of water from a cup after food.

NoviceKnitter · 05/03/2008 14:13

Thanks for reply. Anyone else?

OP posts:
horseymum · 05/03/2008 14:38

sorry, not much help, my 7 month old will take 2oz max! but it seems to keep her going just enough if i am out and yes she still sleeps after that small an amount

NoviceKnitter · 05/03/2008 14:49

maybe my fantasy of a 6 - 8 oz bottle feed is a fantasy then!

Any advance on 4oz?

OP posts:
MrsMar · 05/03/2008 19:29

I do an evening top up of ebm for my ds (6mo), he has both boobs and then his top up bottle, the most he's ever taken was 7oz, but he was huuuuuungry and on a growth spurt I think!! Usually he'll down about 5oz, but I think that's because I've adversely affected my milk supply doing this for so long (just about 5 months now) so he's making up the difference from the bottle.

MrsMar · 05/03/2008 19:31

oh, and that's from a bottle.

thaliablogs · 06/03/2008 00:12

my dd has suddenly started taking up to 300mls of EBM before bed. Very very strange but if she wants it, then she gets it! (ie around 10oz!).

susiecutiemincepies · 06/03/2008 00:27

I would have said about 5oz was about right. DD has only ever taken more than that on a few occasions. I always give her 7 oz, of milk, and she usually has anything between 3-5oz of it!

She's not having EBM from the bottle now, as she's over a year, and I can't express anything like that much! She still has br feed last thing at night, after her bottle of milk.

I've just done a fantastic sleep training BTW. Really worked well. It didn't really matter if she had had lots to drink before bed. they should be getting enough throughout the day at 8 months. A feed last thing at night is more for comfort IME

She now sleeps through the night, every night. I did this about 3-4 weeks ago with her. She had never slept a night through until I did it. I'm so pleased I did, and wish to god I'd done it sooner! She used to wake anything from 1-4 times a night. it was never hunger, though I br fed her every time, just to get her back to sleep.

I did try night weening first, to see if that was why she was waking. HTat is when you time the br feed, and reduce it by a minute per night until you are not feeding. I.e. night one, you feed for say, 7 minutes, at every feed. night 2, feed for 6.5 minutes per feed, and so on. you can drop quicker than that an reduce by a minute each night. the theory being by the time you get down to 1 minute, they don't bother waking for it. I have to admit, I didn't do it whole heartedly and kept falling asleep and waking up and shed still be feeding an hour later in the night.

In the end I did a differnt sleep training, which worked really well for us, and was sorted within 3 nights. It was a kind of controlled crying, but not so harsh. It was very gentle indeed, and she is a much happier girl now, plus she has 2 sleeps in the day now, something she had never done ever. I'd have been lucky if she would have one short nap per day before. Ironic hey! she sleeps for a whole night now, so getting more sleep than ever, and she's getting about 2-3 hours thoroughout the day!

thing is, I need some sleep training myself now, since I have been so used to waking so often in the night I am still waking a few times a night I usually end up going in to check on her

Good luck with it! Sorry, gone on and on a bit, thought it was kind of relevant though!

lackaDAISYcal · 06/03/2008 00:27

my 9mo old DD usually takes around 4-5ozs of EBM, but will ake a full 9ozs of formula. Obviously EBM is gooooooood stuff

and she'll only take EBM in a bottle from my DH, and formula in a bottle from me....

NoviceKnitter · 06/03/2008 06:46

Thanks all. DD took about 5oz in a cup last night. But... it made no difference to her (very) frequent night waking.

susiecutiemincepies - would love to hear bit more about your sleep training. We were meant to start last night but dd developed a cold and croaky voice so i didn't think it was fair (or was glad of an excuse to put it off!)

we were planning to do a combi of reducing night feeds as you say but also sitting with her while she falls asleep not on the breast. However my concern is that as she is a boob addict at night this is cry it out by a different name. DP says we must do it - she's literally crying every 30 mins+ in the eves and taking almost as long to resettle (bf)

OP posts:
lackaDAISYcal · 06/03/2008 11:29

novice, if it's any consolation (and I expect not!), my DD has always treated EBM as just a bit of a drink, and has carried on her normal feeds as well as taking the EBM. I don't think that this is uncommon.

susiecutiemincepies · 06/03/2008 12:54

Sure I've been incredibly evangelical about it, and telling anyone who'll listen, as I'm so proud of both of us for getting it sorted out!

So, my DD was terrible at sleeping. Wouldn't have a daytime nap every day, and when she did, was very short, unles she dozed in the car. She also woke, like I said, anything from 1-4 times a night, every night, sometimes more. The only 'core' sleep she had was in the evening before I went to bed, for about 3 hours. Although again, often she'd wake 1-2 times in the eveing between bedtime (19:30) and my bedtime somewhere near midnight. The older the child the better and quicker too. * months will probably take longer than we did as DD is over a year old. Maybe it takes you almost a week, maybe not.

Firstly,this is going to be a LONG post! Secondly, the book ( Toddler Taming by Dr Christopher Green) suggested not doing it if you know your child is unwell, or teething.

Pick a night that you know you will be able to follow it through on, i.e. if you are already excessively tired ( like thats not permanent ha ha! ) And a run of nights, again, when you know you can follow it through.

THe principle, briefly, is like controlled crying, but trust me, its not the same, as I tried that, as last resort before we did this, as I was just at the end of my tether. I couldn't do CC. I couldnt just go into her, and see her crying hysterically and not pick her up, or comfort her which is what yo do in CC... Cry it out, is different again, when you don't even go into them, they literally just cry, until they can't cry anymore and go to sleep.

Psych yourself up for it. Be prepared, that you will have a bad bad night, the first night. Have magazine, book, Mumsnet, tv whatever you like, ready, to keep you occupied and awake.... also, cups of tea, food etc... I had the lot, all ready set up in the lounge.

I also, decided to get her to sleep the usual way initially. And to start this, when she woke for the first time, in the night. She woke at 2am. you could start at bed time of course. I did at bedtime the next day.

this is how to do it...

Before you go to bed, decide how long, the first time, you are happy to let her cry for. I decided on 2 minutes. You could decide on as little as 30 seconds, or as long as 15 mins. Its entirely up to you, but, I suggest starting with a really short time first, and build up....

When you first hear her awake, look at the clock, write down the time. Leave her crying, for exactly the time you decided on. In this case, 2 mins.

GO into her after precisely 2 minutes ( the book stresses how important exact timing is )

Pick her up, cuddle her, kiss her, stroke her, what ever you want to do ( NOT feeding though ) to calm her down. It may take you to sit down and rock her, and sing to her. This can take as long as needs be.

As SOON as she stops crying, and is calm. Put her back into her bed, tuck her in etc... Say good night or whatever you say, and LEAVE the room. trust me, its not easy. She will stand up shout, scream, cry, everything she can to get you back.

Look straight at the clock, write down the time you leave, and add 2 minutes to the original time you left her for. This is where CC and this differs. this way, you leave it small amounts, gradually gradually building up, always comforting, reassuring showing them love.

Go into the lounge or where ever. I'd suggest not going back to bed, as you will fall asleep, like I did the first night I started, so gave up, and started properly about 2 nights later. have a digital clock next to you, time 4 minutes.

Go back in, go straight to her, cuddle, soothe, etc. AS soon as quiet and calm, again, walk straight out, stop at door, say night night, and leave. Shut the door if needs be.

Continue with this, adding 2 minutes to each timing. until, she has gone back to sleep. It only took half an hour for us the first night, from start to finish. I was prepared for it being hours! I actually had a notepad out, wrote down the time I went in, then the time I left, then the time I would need to go back in. etc this really helped to a) keep me awake! B) help me see the progress.

She was never crying for more than 7 minutes. At any time. 7 minutes is not a long time at all. might sound it, but its really not. Put into perspective, think about in the day time, when you are doing things like cooking etc... you would leave her to cry infront of you for longer than that, if you were in the middle of something, or you'd never get anything done. Its about the time it takes to walk to kitchen, boil kettle and make a cup of tea.

TIPS:
*Every time she wakes, start fresh, each time. Dont pick up, where you left off. Start back at your initial 2 minutes or 5 mins, what ever you start with.
*Each night again, start fresh, from the start.

Heres how it went for us:

First night, lasted just over half an hour, with me returning to her 4 times. The longest she cried was 7 mins. She would cry as soon as I left the room, and for a bit after, then she'd stop for a bit, and start just towards the end of the timing again, meaning, I did go back in to her. Obviously, if she stops before the end of the timing, dont go in! even if she's not asleep, leave her be. Until she starts again. Stay up, until she's asleep. properly. She also woke another time that night, at about half 4 ish. It only took 2 returns and a really short time this time.

Second night, lasted about 20 minutes. I returned to her again 4 times I think. She woke twice again that night, but only for 5 mins each time I think. I only went in once, each time anyway. She woke at half 6 ish when I did feed her as felt it reasonable she would be thirsty by then, and she went straight back to sleep until half 8!

third night. Lasted 10 mins I think, can't quite remember now Anyway I went back to her once. I think. It was so short, I don't think I had time to write it all down.

forth night: She just went to bed, at bed time, with out crying at all. Which was a first ever since she was born!

Now, she goes to bed every night, with little to NO crying, if at all. She wakes up, and doesn't cry or shout for us, she just sits up and chats or reads to her animals in her cot. She has a nap mid morning, and after lunch, for nearly 2 hours!

I have a different baby girl here. It was SO worth it

To sum up:
Choose min time you are happy to leave your DD for.
eg. 2 minutes.
Leave for 2 minutes
Go to comfort her. and leave when calm.
Add 2 minutes to original time. 2 + 2 = 4 minutes.
Next time 4 +2 = 6 minutes 6+2= 8 minutes and so on... ( i know, you can add on two with out my help )
Keep going until not crying at all.

It works, because, you are reinforcing that it is bed time, and time to sleep. you are constantly showing them love. you are comforting them. they are not crying for long periods of time.
Eventually, they learn that they will get a cuddle when they wake up, but that eventually, its not really worth crying as its not really for that long, they might as well go back to sleep.

Good luck, if you have any other questions, do ask!

NoviceKnitter · 06/03/2008 19:26

susie thanks for such a comprehensive description. it does sound good. the attachment lot/so called "gentle" sleep trainers suggest sitting with the LO while he or she cries it out. But this feels a bit wrong to me - I'd be thinking: you're here, why aren't you picking me up? your way you're never away for long but when you are htere you are dealing with them. DP is going to look after DD tomorrrow so I can properly collect my thoughts about this and compare and contrast all the approaches I've read about. but yours is a strong contender!

ps not sure all this research isn't just procrastination, but hey ho...

Thanks again for taking the time - I'll let you know what we decide and how it goes

OP posts:
NoviceKnitter · 06/03/2008 19:43

ps: is part of the deal that you must put them down AWAKE?

OP posts:
susiecutiemincepies · 06/03/2008 21:07

Yes she always awake.

Until of course you are totally on top of it all. I mean now, I'm confident that she is really good at going to bed at bed time, and basically staying asleep most, if not all night, all being the most common now. I say this, just because now, I have put her to bed asleep, having dozed off at hte bed time feed. but only because we have cracked it.

The principle behind putting them down awake is, that they associate their cot with going to sleep. IF you always put them in asleep, how do they know, when they wake up, in the night, what they are supposed to be doing? They have no practice at falling asleep, without your help, and on their own, if they are always put to bed, asleep.

I also put it off, a long long time. I was worried I'd actually end up missing her company, in an odd way! I have to say, at times, I do! Only because I have had bad pain for a long time now, and often she was awake, and up with me. Now, i'm up, and on my own! Daft really I know. I also know, that as a treat ( for me more than her I think, god, isn't that terrible!!!) that she can come into my bed, on the odd occasion she wakes up in the night, and I know she will still go back as normal, the next night.

Good luck with it, and you might find you try more than one technique. I did. this was the only one that worked for us though. Because I was totally psyched up for it, also because I was so ready to do it. It also didn't go against my natural instincts. i.e. that is is ok to leave her to cry for a little bit, but not too long, also, to comfort her when I do go into her. It means she gets the message that bed is for bedtime and sleep, but that she is still secure and loved. She can still have a cuddle if she wakes up and wants me. She just can't have a load of milk all night

It was also fast, with fast results for us, which I needed, as I couldn't have sustained something for weeks and weeks ( a friend of mine did the gradual withdrawal technique and it took her 6 weeks. )

Anyway, like I say, best of luck, and do ask if you have any other questions.

New posts on this thread. Refresh page