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Breastfeeding: when will I have tried long and hard enough?

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iloveorange · 07/06/2022 20:12

Hello,

Looking for some advice, support and personal stories. I will try to be concise in re to the background:

  • 5 week old baby girl - good weight and in good health, never lost weight
  • Originally wanted to breastfeed exclusively because I find it more convenient, health reasons and bonding
  • Combi fed from day one due to traumatic birth + large and hungry baby, meant she was screaming that very first night in the postnatal ward and my colostrum was just not enough for her (and she stayed on the breast for longer than hour, destroying my nipples in the process)
  • Low supply during the first few weeks meant we had to top up with formula after every breastfeed
  • Mental health difficulties meant I had to prioritise my sleep and my partner took over night feeds (with formula)
  • I have a temperamental baby who will scream whenever she's uncomfortable/frustrated/unsatisfied
My current situation:
  • Supply is a lot better - there was this one day a few days ago where I breastfed her exclusively and she was fine throughout the day, so I know I am physically able to breastfeed her. That's why I think she latches fine (also, while sometimes sore, my nipples are not destroyed - just sore because she sucks hard).
  • Baby, however, has a strong preference for the bottle. Occasionally, if she's not tired, nor very hungry, nor upset, and the stars align, she will calmly stay on the breast for about 15-30 minutes (and in those moments I love breastfeeding). More often than not, she will latch for about 2-6 minutes, unlatch, scream, latch furiously again, unlatch, scream, etc. I'm pretty sure she's frustrated, when she comes off there is often milk on her face and on my breast, but her facial expressions make me suspect she's frustrated by a slow let down. Either way, she's unhappy.
  • I will then offer her the bottle, but by that time she's so upset and frustrated that bottle feeding her will be a struggle for me: there's spit up, crying, etc. So I pass her onto DH, who will feed her and she calms down.
  • This all means that feeding has become stressful for me and unpredictable - I never know whether I'll end up rushing to warm up a bottle while my baby screams in the background and my boobs are still hanging out of my nursing bra.
  • I'm also pumping just to avoid a blocked duct, which would be just another problem to deal with on top of everything else
My question is: when is it time to quit? I'm struggling to allow myself to just stop trying, hoping that one day - soon - things will change and baby will be happy to breastfeed and all will be well. The reality is that things are not only not improving, but getting worse. I then have to pump, which I don't like (it's painful and a faff), on top of looking after a demanding child. And while I express some milk, it's nothing to write home about (40-80mls in 20-30 mins). And I'm still having to prepare the formula, wash up bottles, sterilise, etc.

I feel like I've been postponing this decision for about a month now, and I can't make up my mind. For example, I have to get new tops and bras, but I won't because I don't know if I need nursing options or standard options. I have already given up on the idea of exclusively breastfeeding (and I'm not sure I could handle it mentally anyway), but at least I would like to be able to reliably breastfeed her (that is, I know that if I put her on the breast, she'll feed from there). Right now I feel like I'm dealing with the faff of formula feeding and the challenges of breastfeeding.

Being realistic, what are the odds things will change at this point? Has anyone been in a similar position? I feel so guilty about quitting (and while my mom and DH are supportive and say I should do whatever's best for me, I also know they are keen on me to go on like this rather than stop), but I also really do not like the current situation I'm in.

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ImNotBossyImtheBoss · 08/06/2022 16:17

Breastfeeding plus pumping and formula is just the worst of everything, cracked nipples, pumping, sterilising... No wonder you feel like throwing in the towel.

Absolutely nothing wrong with formula and stopping breastfeeding now if that will make you happier. Happy mum, happy baby. I cannot stress this enough, breastfeeding is not the be all and end all.
When breastfeeding is going well it is wonderful, but there are lots of drawbacks, such as being able to share feeding, going out for an evening. Being able to take antihistamines! 🤧

If you do want to give it one last crack I would suggest the following:

Drink plenty of water and eat some oats/ drink oat milk to help keep up a good supply.

See a lactation consultant or attend a breastfeeding support group to have an experienced person take a look at her latch, positioning etc.

Smother your nipples in Lanisoh after every feed or pumping session, try some nipple shields if they're really sore. (Incidentally if your daughter does like feeding with nipple shields it could be because your let down is too strong without them).

Ditch the bottles for a few days, she will be furious, but you will not get into a good supply and demand relationship whilst supplementing bottles, and she's still getting the confusion of two feeding methods. Once it's all settled and working for you then introduce a bottle a day if you want. My baby was a bottle refuser and it was the bane of my life, so I'm all for them being able to take a bottle!

And as a pp had said, they feed much more regularly when breastfeeding so don't take it as a sign they haven't had enough. It won't be the same as if formula fed. I had friends feeding their babies every 4 hours while mine still wanted a feed every 2.

ImNotBossyImtheBoss · 08/06/2022 16:29

To clarify I wouldn't suggest ditching the bottles until you've had a lactation consultant confirm her latch is good, no tongue tie, good transfer of milk, etc.

milkmaiden · 08/06/2022 16:34

It's completely your choice. If you are not intending to feed to full term then just switch if it's hurting you. You won't be the best mum if you have bad mental health. It's perfectly normal not to breastfeed and I'm unsure who would make you feel guilty. I fed to full term, I was determined to do that. I don't care what you do. As above your baby won't care either.

Maybe it's where I live but it is very normal to use formula here, in fact I believe that's the case in all of Britain?

Belephant · 08/06/2022 21:00

I struggled and struggled through the first 7-8 weeks. I was a wreck! We had loads of issues, saw loads of different people for various problems. At the start we were triple feeding which was utter hell. By week 7 or 8 (can't remember) I had managed to get down to just one bottle of formula a day and BF the rest of the time. But I was in agony all the time with severely damaged nipples, feeds took an absolute age, baby was constantly hungry and losing weight, and I was extremely sleep deprived. Not having a great time lol.

So one day I said sod it! No more. And baby went on to formula only for nearly a whole week. It was bloody marvellous. I felt like a new person! And my baby was far happier, too, and put on good weight that week.

Then after that week, I mentally and physically recovered from the sleep deprivation and general stress of watching my baby lose weight and I thought "hang on, I really did desperately want to breastfeed". And so now my nipples had time to recover, I latched him on my least-damaged boob and he had an ok feed - there wasn't much coming out but it was there! We started doing one breastfeed a day. I think him growing bigger improved his latch, as his mouth was big enough to get a good amount of boob in now (I do have rather large breasts so that hadn't helped). So then once I'd been doing it once a day for a little while and my nipples felt okay with it, we started upping it more and more.

He's now probably 50/50 formula/breast at six months.

I'm not at all going to suggest that packing in breastfeeding for a week and then trying again is a sensible idea, especially for supply issues, but maybe you could decide to breast feed a lot less to get the benefits of both worlds? Would that help the emotional side of things maybe, that you're not completely stopping?

Of course, if you're looking for "permission" to give up bf entirely, then I think it's pretty unanimous here that you have it - that's how I felt for the whole first two months, I dreamed of someone telling me to pack it in. But there was a lot of pressure.

AliceW89 · 08/06/2022 21:12

The reality is that we have a beautiful girl that can be quite challenging a lot of the time. She struggles with gas and overtiredness (because she can't fall asleep easily), and cries more than your average baby, so there is a lot of time spent just soothing her and getting her to sleep. She also doesn't particularly like hanging out at the breast, so putting her on it every 30 minutes is just not an option. Neither is doing lots of cuddling or skin to skin - holding her is like holding a cat, she will scratch you and kick you and try to climb up your torso. She loves being held up straight and falling asleep on you, but on her own terms. It's two of us at home (DH is on leave as well) and by the end of the day we are truly exhausted - even finding the time to pump more than twice a day is hard for me

Replace girl with boy and this would have been my DS. Really high needs, unsettled, overtired, frustrated newborn who seemingly took out all of his anger on the breast. I used to cry reading on here about people just snuggling up to their newborn on the sofa whilst having a cosy feed. My experience was one long cluster feeding fight to the sound of wailing that left me questioning my supply and my own sanity. I did persevere. I’m still not quite sure to this day why I did as I hated it, but just to let you know things calmed down MASSIVELY at about 10 weeks. It became pretty straightforward after that and we carried in to 18 months. This isn’t to put any pressure on you - you should 100% do what is right for you and your mental health. But if you are adamant you don’t want to give up, in my experience it does get better Flowers

Parker231 · 16/06/2022 07:58

Fed is always best. You should never feel even 1% of guilt for using formula. DT’s had formula from day one - it gave them an excellent start in life - it was totally stress free.
Get a Perfect Prep and just enjoy your baby.

iloveorange · 28/06/2022 10:12

Hello,

I just wanted to update this thread in case someone finds it in the future and is looking for support/reassurance/sympathy/feeling less alone.

I wrote this 21 days ago, when my DD was 5 weeks; she will be 8 weeks tomorrow. She has now been exclusively formula fed for two days, and that means not a drop of breast milk has touched her. Before that, she was still getting breast milk in a bottle, even if it was once a day.

Here's what happened: things got even more complicated. On top of a low supply, sore nipples, mental health difficulties on my part AND a high needs baby who preferred the bottle and fussed at the breast 9/10 times, I had a mole removed somewhere close to my breast on my abdomen, which meant I could not feed her in the only position that had somewhat worked for us: cradle hold. I was too afraid that she would start kicking or punching and disturb my stitches, which I'd have for at least 10 days. I also was told not to breastfeed for two days after the procedure due to the anaesthesia.

So I pumped for a few days, only a couple of times a day, and even that was hard. My plan was not to breastfeed exclusively anymore, or even 50/50 - all I wanted was to keep the morning breastfeed, as that was the only one that had reliably worked for us by that time. She would latch on and stay on the breast, quite peacefully, for about 45 minutes total. And I enjoyed it, so I wanted to keep it. But after pumping for a few days, I was dreading it, and pumping at night before bed after a very long day with baby just became one more stressful thing to consider. So then I asked myself if I was willing to do this for the foreseeable feature in order to keep my supply to a minimum, and how long would I be able to keep it up. And I just didn't want to do it. I didn't want to pump because it was painful and a faff, and baby would not latch often enough to keep the supply up to the bare minimum. So I stopped.

I latched her on about a week after the procedure (she did not kick my stitches, that was ok), and she tried to feed. There wasn't much milk coming out, probably, and eventually she unlatched and cried a little bit. And I just don't want to upset her again (she already cries a lot for whatever reason, so I don't want to add to that).

Now we've also found out that she's dropped a percentile. I'm not too concerned as she's still a big baby for her age, but even with the formula I know she's not eating as much as she should for her weight and age. Believe it or not, I had fantasised about maybe trying her on the breast again after reading success stories, but now that I know this, I think it'd be selfish to add an extra level of complexity to the feeding process which DD does not enjoy and which will makes us clueless as to how much food she's getting. I also suspect (from the milk that I expressed) that my milk is not very rich, it always looked so watery.

It's been so, so hard making this decision and getting to this point; I have been torturing myself over this for the last 6 weeks, even though breastfeeding did not work for us since Day 1 (so, 8 weeks). I know I haven't tried 'hard enough'. I know there are many things I haven't tried to make this work, such as pumping/feeding through the night, forcing her back on the breast, removing bottles, seeing a lactation consultant, taking fenugreek and eating special cookies, getting her checked for tongue tie by a private specialist, using an electric pump and a pumping bra. But I just didn't want to sacrifice my mental health, I didn't want to be in constant pain, and I didn't want to hire the wrong professional and throw money away. I'm aware other women make these choices, and I'm in awe of their strength and perseverance, but I prioritised my own wellbeing because I realised that my daughter needed a mother who didn't curse every time she fed her, who didn't want to abandon her and who didn't dread giving her food, and unfortunately that's what was happening.

I used to hate giving my baby a bottle; I would feel awkward and inadequate, I didn't know how to hold her or how to hold the bottle. I'd get stressed out and pass her onto my husband to feed her instead. I've had to learn and become used to it, and I can now say that I enjoy feeding her. She looks me in the eye, and I don't take it personally if she fusses - I then know she's either uncomfortable (windy) or not hungry, and I don't have to start troubleshooting to see if the flow is too fast or too slow, if there's enough milk or if she's in the right position. It's just much more simple. She often falls asleep on my lap right after, which was my favourite thing about breastfeeding her anyway. She's fine.

Yes, breast milk is best, but this journey has made me realise - once more - how society and the health sector (as a whole) don't take women's struggles into account if someone else is going to benefit from their suffering. Between a miscarriage and the subsequent pregnancy, I have spent 12 months where my body was not entirely mine, where there was physical and mental pain, and I didn't even have a particularly difficult pregnancy. Then I had a difficult birth and challenging recovery, so there was even more pain. And then there was the baby blues that lasted way too long until I was on the verge of developing PND due to sleep deprivation, and the breastfeeding pain and stress to top that off. When does it stop? Because I'm still recovering from an episiotomy and I've had doctors told me that I'm absolutely fine when I don't feel fine and I don't look fine. I even had a FEMALE doctor tell me that it was my fault if I was leaking urine like an 85 year old woman because I'd had a child, and that I should get on with it (thank God that subsided).

I disagree with breastfeeding being a public matter, and with the breast is best campaigns. The pressure on women to breastfeed is insane, and the fact that a third party is asking you - expecting you! - to go through such levels of pain for 6 freaking months or longer makes me so angry. Breastfeeding should be a choice, not an obligation. Yes, it's better for the baby, but very often it's far worse for the mother, and the mother matters, too.

If you're reading this and are in the same boat I've been in, I want you to know that you matter. You are important. And you don't have to breastfeed. You get to choose because (hopefully) you live in a country where water is safe to drink and formula is readily available. If you choose to try harder than I have, that's fantastic, and I'm cheering for you. But if you don't want to suffer anymore, that's ok. It really is.

This was long, but I hope it might help someone. Reading other people's stories definitely helped me.

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WorryMcGee · 28/06/2022 11:27

OP thank you for coming back and writing this update. I’m so glad you’ve made it through and out the other side! I developed PND because of my inability to breastfeed despite persevering/pumping/throwing hundreds of pounds at it. I can’t shake the guilt. I think part of it is because I never enjoyed it, I dreaded it. Dreaded her waking up and dreaded knowing I would have to feed her - it wasn’t snuggly it was a constant fight with tears on both sides and the total opposite of a bonding experience but I’ve been conditioned to feel like this is how I should be bonding with my baby. I’ve since found out my baby has laryngomalacia which often affects their ability to latch and is also responsible for her reflux, but I’m still hounded by guilt that I stopped pumping, even though since we went to 100% formula she is finally gaining and has gone from 2nd centile to just below 9th. It is getting much better now, she loves her bottle and smiles at me when I feed her 😊 but I still have down days - being constantly asked how I’m feeding doesn’t help, and neither does the pop up when I buy formula online that makes me agree to the statement “breastfeeding is best for babies”. I totally agree that the public messaging around it is just too much.

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