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Help with breastfeeding - baby not gaining

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TheNamesTheThing · 28/11/2021 22:24

Firstly, sorry in advance for the essay - there's a lot going on!

My baby is nearly six weeks old, and I have been trying to breastfeed. Unfortunately, he was not (is not?) gaining weight as he should be and I'm not sure what to do. (I should mention I'm not in the UK, so some services and protocols are a bit different here.)

He was born at 3.66 kg but within 24 hours had gone down to 3.47 kg. As I had IV fluids, I understand this can sometimes artificially inflate the birthweight so the weight at 24 hours should be used, but this isn't what the HCPs we've seen have used...

At 3 days he was down to 3.27 kg (10.8% down on the actual birthweight, but 5.9% down on the weight at 24 hours). The nurse was concerned about this, so he was weighed another couple of times over the next few days. By 7 days he was at 3.38 kg and seemed to be gaining so we were told he didn't need to be weighed again but I could come back for a peace of mind check between 2 and 4 weeks.

He then stopped pooing for 10 days(!) - the last poo he had before this was still meconium/transitional. After about 5 days, I got concerned and tried to call the clinic but no one ever got back to me and then eventually he started pooing and was producing lots of wet and dirty diapers. However, for my own peace of mind, I booked him in for a weigh-in at four weeks.

I should say that through this entire period, I was exclusively breastfeeding, but it was really not going well. He was feeding around the clock - maybe sleeping for an hour at a time at night, but mostly awake and at the breast. We couldn't put him down, and when he wasn't at the breast he would just scream. I now think he wasn't really getting a lot of milk (as I don't think he was swallowing the vast majority of the time), but at the time thought that's just what babies do. Feeding was absolute agony for me, frequently leaving me in tears, on top of the pain from recovering from my difficult delivery. It was all just too much for me, so against my better judgment we started giving him a dummy - it meant that I could sleep for a few hours while my husband gave him the dummy. It was not great but it was manageable.

We took him to be weighed at 4 weeks, and he had gained 10 g since the previous weigh-in at 7 days. I was shocked - he had been eating so much, and producing lots of diapers. This also meant he was still not at his birthweight, or even at the 24 hour weight. We were advised keep him awake and focused on feeding for 30 mins at a time and to supplement with 25 mls ideally of EBM after every feed. For a variety of reasons I couldn't pump that much, so we supplemented with formula, using a supplementer at the breast.

He was like a different kid - suddenly sleeping for hours at a time, finally seeming satisfied after a feed, seeming to grow more lively and healthier looking. I can't tell you how guilty I felt for essentially starving him for his whole first month.

We took him back the next week (after stopping using the dummy), and he had gained about 150g, putting him below the birthweight but above the 24 hour weight. We were told this wasn't enough and to supplement as much as he wanted after every feed. I was told to make pumping more of a priority, even if it meant letting my husband feed him with the supplementer and his little finger, so that I would have time to pump. That night he took 90 mls of formula after a feed - again, clearly starving.

Over the next two or three days, he would sometimes take no formula after a feed and sometimes not be satisfied after 90 mls. However, it seemed to me that the more formula we gave him, the more he wanted and I was really concerned about the impact on my milk supply. I did A LOT of reading into techniques for increasing supply and started switch feeding with compressions. This had no impact on his intake of formula.

He really likes to comfort nurse, so I wasn't sure if maybe he was just taking in all this formula as a by-product of wanting to suck all the time. I also got some baby scales for home, and saw that he had gained 350 g in four days. I thought I could try to start reducing the amount of formula I give him, and started trying to give him 40 mls or so after every feed but he very quickly went back to square one. CONSTANT nursing/screaming/refusing to sleep. I'm giving him between 40 and 70 mls every two hours now, on top of him nursing constantly in between, and it still doesn't seem to be enough for him. When he's not at the breast, he's rooting, sucking his hands and/or screaming. It feels like my breasts don't get enough of a break to fill back up again between his feeds (which are non-stop), as he only actively drinks for the first minute or two and otherwise is comfort sucking. After a few minutes, he seems to get frustrated and starts pulling, bobbing, grunting and eventually wailing. I'm getting no sleep, and my husband is at his wits' end as he can't help us.

I don't know what the problem is and don't know what to do. Is my milk supply too low to sustain him? If so, how can I increase it? (I've taken a few "nursing holidays" over the last week and think it's increased a bit but clearly not enough.) I'm really worried about this as I think he was not eating enough the first few weeks and am concerned it has already had an (irrevocable?) impact on my supply.

Or is the problem with him getting enough milk out of the breast? We've been working a lot on his latch, and I think it's much better, but again, clearly not enough. Or is this normal 6 week growth spurt behaviour? If so, should I stop/cut down on the formula, even though he seems so miserable without it?

I know I need medical advice given the weight gain angle, but I think the medical advice will be to supplement more and I'm really worried about the impact on my (already low?) supply. As you might be able to tell, I'm also prone to catastrophising and could probably use some perspective...

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Daisy4569 · 28/11/2021 22:48

Oh gosh this sounds stressful! I’m not an expert but my little one lost a lot of weight after he was born and struggled to regain (we also had many extra weigh ins!) but we persevered with EBF. I was lucky enough to be able to hand express and top up after feeds but it was exhausting and emotional. I don’t really have any advice but just wanted to say you’re not alone and working out what works for you and your LO is hard! Are there any breastfeeding support groups you can access? If not I would go back to your healthcare provider and discuss your concerns, I assume they have checked for any lip ties etc which might be causing an issue?

PerpetualStudent · 28/11/2021 23:03

I went through this with both of my DCs - it’s hell and I really feel for you. Some thoughts:

Have you checked for tongue tie? My DS had this and it effected his ability to feed efficiently. His was snipped at 10 weeks after it was finally spotted by a BF counsellor. It wasn’t a miracle cure, but definitely helped

Pumping never worked for me - some people just can’t get a lot of milk out that way. Babies are much more efficient than a pump in general.

Boobs are a factory not a warehouse, as a midwife once said to me :) Even if they don’t feel ‘full’ they will still be producing something, and even if you baby is just comfort feeding, they will still be getting something (and helping to build up supply)

I combined-fed both of mine as a long term strategy and it worked really well (after, both times, going though a big sense of failure that I couldn’t feed them ‘myself’) It meant I could feel sure they were gaining weight whilst keeping up breastfeeding - which was then a massive benefit for giving them comfort and extra nutrients in older babyhood. So don’t feel you have to pick one method or the other.

Breastfeeding can be all consuming, but 6 weeks is still so little - remember in the womb they are just constantly receiving nourishment so the sensation of hunger is still very new - no wonder they want to be on the boob as much as possible! I hated that feeling of being stuck on the bed/sofa like a milk dispenser, but again it builds up your supply gets the pair of you in sync.

Be gentle with yourself, keep an eye on the weight gain and obviously keep in touch with the medical people, but try not to obsess over it xx

Skysblue · 28/11/2021 23:05

I’m sorry it’s so hard. Well done for supplementing with formula if that’s what he needs, it was invented for a reason!!

Random thoughts

  • are you eating enough nutrition, particularly fats like milk/butter, and drinking enough water? You can’t make milk without the ingredients going into your mouth...
  • has anyone checked his latch?
  • have you talked to the La Leche League advice line / any breastfeeding support groups?
  • it will get easier as he gets bigger and has a bigger mouth and is able to suck more powerfully.
  • The ‘comfort nursing’ is good as this is actually him trying to stimulate your milk production
  • sometimes it just doesn’t work well and if you need to mostly feed him formula and supplement with breastmilk until he gets better at sucking and you have more supply, that’s ok. Do what you need to do.
PerpetualStudent · 28/11/2021 23:10

Rereading your description of you baby’s feeds - do you know about the different stages of a feed? They will naturally do big long sucks at the beginning (focusing on getting hydration) then settle into shallower sucks for the long haul, the third stage is little ‘flutters’ with the lower jaw - it can seem like they are asleep, but they are encouraging your boobs to release the richer ‘hind milk’ that tends to come more towards the end of a feed.

So if they look like they are dozing/comfort feeding, they might actually just be going through the second 2 stages.

BeastOfBODMAS · 28/11/2021 23:10

Hello, sorry to hear that you are struggling so badly.
My little one is only 2 weeks old but we’ve also struggled with losing a lot of weight early on and having to give formula topups as well as trying to increase breast milk supply. I sympathise as there are not enough hours in the day!

One midwife recommended us cup feeding for the formula and expressed breast milk and it’s been a game changer - baby can lap up 50ml in no time at all and there’s barely any washing up/sterilisation compared with other methods. We’ve found it caused minimal nipple confusion unlike bottle or syringe. Unicef website has good instructions. It’s just streamlined the process so more time for expressing, skin to skin etc.

In terms of milk supply, you don’t mention looking after yourself. Sleep would be ideal, but make sure you are eating and drinking plenty and taking a multivitamin. Oats are great, carbs are great, keep a bottle of water to hand at all times.

Other people with more experience will be here to talk to you about latch & tongue tie.

Personally I would seek further medical advice, certainly before reducing the formula. You sound like you’re really aware of your baby’s cues which is great, it’s still early days

TheNamesTheThing · 29/11/2021 03:13

Thank you all so much for your kind words. I'm getting very emotional reading your messages!

I don't think he has been checked for tongue/lip tie, and this is something I'm planning on asking about at his next weigh-in in a couple of days.

@PerpetualStudent You hit the nail on the head. His birth didn't go as planned and ended up involving a lot of interventions that I didn't want, as well as a third degree tear. I definitely felt (and still feel) a sense of failure that I could give birth to him "properly", and am starting to feel that way about breastfeeding.

A few of you have mentioned nutrition. I'm probably not eating and drinking as well or as much as I should be, so I will try to make this a priority. Weirdly my sense of hunger has completely disappeared since giving birth - I could eat nothing all day, or do nothing but eat all day and still feel neither hungry nor full. It makes it hard to make eating a priority!

A lot of different nurses have checked his latch, basically since we were in hospital. Everyone says it looks fine, but obviously it wasn't since it hurt so badly (I've had a lot of very helpful "well it shouldn't be hurting"s). But I'm finding it easier to coordinate all the various flailing body parts now, and think it's getting better.

I have spoken to La Leche League, and they were very kind, but it's all online where I am now, so not much hands-on help. I don't really speak the local language, so find it hard/embarrassing to try peer support groups.

@BeastOfBODMAS We tried cup feeding and just found it went everywhere, but I can try again with those guidelines you mention. I've been using a very thin tube with one end in a bottle of formula and the other tucked in the corner of his mouth when he's on the breast. This is also pretty easy to maintain and is supposed to help stimulate further milk production, but the tube sometimes pokes my (very sore!) nipples so it would be nice to have a break sometimes.

Thanks again, everyone. I really appreciate your messages!

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BeastOfBODMAS · 29/11/2021 06:34

With the cup feeding, we were shown how to swaddle baby’s hands down to keep them out of the way, we use either a muslin or a hand towel. It definitely helps with the flailing and mess!

Vursayles · 29/11/2021 07:01

From someone who hardly produced any milk (both babies ended up back in hospital after 5 days with one passing a massive meconium poo at day 6 after starting formula) do your best to maximise your supply if that’s what you want, but please don’t let it consume you completely. Your value and worth as a Mum is not measured by the amount of milk you can produce. It’s so easy to get overwhelmed and borderline obsessive with this, I know I was. It’s only one aspect of being a Mum and in the grand scheme of things if baby is fed, happy and healthy that’s all that matters.

PyjamaMuddleduck · 29/11/2021 19:08

It sounds like if you can get him actively feeding for longer then that would help. You could try breast compressions to squeeze a bit more milk in, and also switch feeding to get more letdowns and prolong the active feeding phase. Milk production is driven by milk removal, so if he is just ‘hanging out’ at the best and not swallowing then this will be doing little to help to supply to increase. Well done for mastering the supplementer - that should help too.
Be kind to yourself, this sounds really tough and it sounds like you are doing a great job. I would try dropping the formula really slowly, like 30ml total per day and hold at each level for 2-3 days to allow your supply to increase.

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