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Formula company carelines...what they say when you ring them...

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AwayInAMunker · 15/12/2007 02:04

Anyone interested in what Baby Milk Action found when they rang various carelines?

Spot monitoring conducted by Baby Milk Action shows company carelines are being used to circumvent the ban on advertising of infant formula in the current UK law and provide misleading and dangerous information.

Carelines are promoted heavily in advertisements, fliers, mailings to parents and on the internet. Parents are directed to them for information on infant care.

Baby Milk Action called the carelines in the role of a confused parent wanting to know the difference between the formulas on the market and the particular health claims made about the company?s product.

As a subsequent question, we commented on the notice on Hipp labels that powdered infant formula is not sterile and asked if the same was true of the company?s products and if any action was needed to reduce risks.

Aptamil: room temperature
Asked about the ingredient ?immunofortis - inspired by breastmilk? promoted on labels, the Aptamil advisor said it is: ?Soluble fibres found in breastmilk? which ?liaise with the immune system.?

Asked about the difference between Aptamil and Cow & Gate, both made by NUMICO, she said: ?They are the same blend. The basic ingredients, the trace ingredients are superior stock in the Aptamil. It is better ingredients than the Cow & Gate.?

Asked about sterility and the need to use hot water, she said it wasn?t necessary: ?The reason we say 30 minutes is that is the optimum time. It is a health and safety issue, we don?t want people scalding their hands. People can make it at room temperature.?

Cow & Gate: cold water
The Cow & Gate advisor was asked about the claim that its formulas contain prebiotics and said that prebiotics are present in breastmilk, support the natural immune system and provide food for friendly bacteria. Asked if they are the same as in breastmilk ?Yes, prebiotics are in breastmilk? and added that only Cow & Gate and Aptamil have them.

Asked whether Cow & Gate formula was sterile, she said ?No formula is sterile.? Asked if that was a problem, she said: ?Makes no difference.?

She advised: ?Prepare bottles of sterile water in advance. That stays fresh without refrigeration for 24 hours. Take from the bottle and mix. That formula is good for an hour.?

Farley?s: no temperature advice

Asked about the claim on new Farley?s formula labels saying it contains ?Omega-3 LCPs? Farley?s advisor said: ?It helps develop their brain in their first few months? claiming: ?The Government stresses the importance of Omega 3.? She said only Farley?s had LCPs. Asked if this made it closer to breastmilk than competitors, she said: ?Farley?s is the closest. Yes it is.?

Asked about the need to use hot water as powdered formula is not sterile, her advice was: ?Heat the water and let it cool. I don?t know if it gives the temperature. It says 30 minutes.? The FSA guidance says no more than 30 minutes. Asked if using hot water was important, she said: ?It mixes better? and had nothing to do with sterility.

Which is the best formula?

It is not only information on Carelines which is confusing or simply wrong. A graph on the Cow & Gate website suggests it is the closest to breastmilk. (Can't find the actual one that's in the article, but the one on this page has the same info).

Whereas Aptamil claims in its advertisements in celebrity magazines that it is the ?best formula.?

Farley?s encourages health workers to promote its formula to mothers receiving the government?s healthy start vouchers as the ?best formula, best price?. A graph produced by Farley's puts Farley?s ahead of Cow & Gate.

Wyeth claims its SMA has ?new improved protein balance? and implores users to ?love the milk you give?. A £3 million advertising campaign - supposedly for follow-on milk - promotes the brand name on TV with a father promising to support his partner with night feeds.

Hipp dismisses FSA guidance
The Hipp Careline advisor did not have an answer to questions on sterility, so the Nutritionist phoned back. She said Hipp did not follow the FSA guidance for parents of using water above 70oC because ?you kill the protein and it would be dangerous to hold it.?

When asked about the FSA guidance, she said water at 70oC would cool when it was mixed with the powder so ?the temperature would be lowered anyway.? She claimed ?no-one does it at 70oC? and ?we certainly have no problems with bacteria.?

SMA: not sterile after opening
The SMA advisor was asked about its ?new protein balance?, promoted on labels. She said: ?It makes it closer to the protein found in breastmilk.? She was asked how SMA could be the closest to breastmilk when the Aptamil label and advertising says it is the closest and replied: ?Ours is balanced. It is closest.? Asked about sterility, she said: ?No formula is sterile if it is exposed to the air.?

Despite Hipp claiming no company says to use water at 70oC, SMA did just that: ?We tend to say 70 Degrees. These are new Department of Health Guidelines. It can destroy any bacteria that may be in the powder. Can no longer use water cooled to room temperature. We say boiled for 30 minutes in the kettle.?

UNICEF and WHO advice
WHO recommends mixing formula with water at 70 degrees C. WHO experts say this is the single most effective decontamination step which could reduce the risk 10,000-fold.

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welliemum · 15/12/2007 02:35

I don't know how they sleep at night.

Beachcomber · 15/12/2007 09:51

It makes you hair stand up on end.

Parents need to make a fuss about this sort of crap and demand that manufacturers stop deliberately spreading misinformation like this.

Babies get sick and die from wrongly prepared formula FFS!

Thing is, if the bastards actually told the truth about their products, both in terms of nutrition and safety, nobody would want them. Babies who need formula and parents who feed fomula deserve MUCH MUCH better.

VVVExcitedAboutChristmasQV · 15/12/2007 10:32

[not surprised]

But apparently, your average, intelligent parent can sort the wheat from the chaff anyway so it doesnt matter [sarcastic]

PrisonerCellBlockAitch · 15/12/2007 12:51

ye gods

TinyTimLivesinVictorianSqualor · 15/12/2007 13:08

ugh

constancereader · 15/12/2007 13:23

worse than I thought

KashaSarrasin · 15/12/2007 13:54

[sighs]

Why oh why is it so difficult to get accurate and proper information about formula?

(sadly I suspect because it's far more about profits than babies' health. )

AwayInAMunker · 15/12/2007 21:13

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harpsichordcarrier · 15/12/2007 21:15

pmsl at "liaise with the immune system"
despair at the rest
not to worry though, because formula companies can be relied upon to advertise responsibly

HabbiChristmasToBu · 15/12/2007 21:25

Bloody hell. And what are these proteins you're not supposed to kill? Are they the liaison proteins...

whomovedmychocolate · 15/12/2007 21:53

I'm always tempted to hijack and redirect their telephone lines the La Leche League advisors myself. But that's just me

mylittleponey · 15/12/2007 21:57

wonder what they'd say if called for bf help?

JoyeuxNoelBiggy · 15/12/2007 21:57

"boiled for 30 minutes in the kettle"

Tape the switch down?

Not terribly surprised, tbh.

AwayInAMunker · 16/12/2007 13:47

I'm actually tempted to ring them and just say "How do you sleep at night?" but I figure it'd go over their heads.

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MerryXMoss · 16/12/2007 17:56

Yes I saw this on the BMA blog.

I was actually thinking of signing up to be a "mystery shopper" iyswim.

AwayInAMunker · 16/12/2007 19:44

Once again, concrete proof that formula companies haven't a clue about their own product and the thread's had scant attention.

Interesting in itself that, I think.

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motherhurdicure · 16/12/2007 20:07

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OhGiveUsAPruniPudding · 16/12/2007 20:13

This thread you mean hnker?

VVVExcitedAboutChristmasQV · 16/12/2007 20:31

I dont think it is indicative that formula companies dont have a clue about their product. They just dont care enough about their customers, or, more importantly, babies, to train the people that answer the telephone lines and act as a first point of contact.

They just dont care.

NappiesGaloriaInExcelsis · 16/12/2007 20:53

bloody hell, am mightily releived i never had to rely on formula to feed my babies for first few months.
how you sposed to get your head round all that?? let alone all the palaver...

Sabire · 16/12/2007 21:27

A few weeks ago I stumbled across a large pile of Cow and Gate leaflets in the
parentcraft room while at an MSLC meeting at my local hospital. With
permission of the supervisor of midwives I chucked them all in the bin,
but kept one to read for myself.

I was concerned by how poor the quality of information was in the
leaflet (called 'Managing Minor Feeding Problems) which is apparently
designed for health professionals to give to mums. On the page on colic
it advises breastfeeding women to remove 'spicy chilli' and chocolate
from their diets because they can make colic worse and
because 'whatever you eat, your baby gets first' (?!)

The information given on constipation doesn't differentiate between b/f
and a/f babies but reassures mums that 'constipation in common in the
first year'. It also says that if babies go infrequently they could be
constipated. A highlighted box gives this advice for the mothers of
babies who might be constipated: 'Whether you're breast or
bottlefeeding make sure your baby has plenty of fluid by offering
cooled boiled water between feeds.'

I phoned up the helpline and spoke to a 'health professional' who told
me that the leaflet was under review but refused to give assurances
that the leaflet would no longer be distributed to the public. She said
(frightningly) that this particular leaflet is actually very popular
among health professionals and got a bit shirty with me when I
suggested that this advice could be seen to undermine breastfeeding.

I also e-mailed their careline once (to check the quality of the information they're handing out to mums). I asked them whether there were any disadvantages to mixed feeding compared to exclusively breastfeeding, and was told that there were no disadvantages to mixed feeding other than using formula might affect my supply of breastmilk, and therefore it shouldn't be introduced in the first six weeks.

This is clearly cr*p - totally misleading and non-evidence based. I think that the DOH should step on and close these carelines down - or at least stop them from handing out information on breastfeeding. It's outrageous.

NappiesGaloriaInExcelsis · 16/12/2007 21:52

sabire (and hunker) - i would sign a petition to that effect.

i would love to be kept informed of any way to support any campaign to make that happen.

motherhurdicure · 16/12/2007 23:24

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MommalovesHerSpanglyXmasName · 17/12/2007 09:24

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AwayInAMunker · 17/12/2007 15:43

OK, how can we word a petition? Am open to suggestions.

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