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Infant feeding

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Will I be reported if I refused to put Callum on formula??

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sparklygothkat · 22/11/2007 16:31

The SCBU nurse just phoned me and said that if Callum hasn't gained weight in 2 weeks, I have to put him onto formula. Apparently the consultant has said this.
I have 30 bottles of high engery formula here which I still haven't given to him (am supposed to topup with 30ml once a day via the feeding tube) but I really really don't want him to have formula...
If we refuse, will be reported to SS for not doing the right thing??

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hunkermunker · 22/11/2007 21:49

And do talk to the HCPs who've supported you with bf in the past - I'd hate to say "all fine" if there really is a problem that people who are actually seeing Callum can spot. But if they're saying all is well, and it's only your lesser-spotted ill-informed HCP sounding warnings, I'd err on the side of bf.

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sparklygothkat · 22/11/2007 21:57

spoke to abm again, lickily got the same lady. she\said its disgusting that they are basically trying to force bottlefeeding on me. am going to bf clinic tomorrow, and will ask if the bf hv will tell the hospital to back off a bit.

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sparklygothkat · 22/11/2007 21:57

sorry about the\ spellings, am feeding atm

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sparklygothkat · 22/11/2007 22:04

i am going to give 10ml of ebm down the tube every hour, to see if it makes a difference

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hunkermunker · 22/11/2007 22:06

Glad ABM lady helpful. Hope bf clinic ditto and they tell SCBU to back off a bit.

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sparklygothkat · 22/11/2007 22:11

i just don't understand as to why 5oz gain a week is bad? its a gain..

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hunkermunker · 22/11/2007 22:25

Because it's not on their protocol - same as I couldn't understand why 2.4 wasn't an OK blood sugar level for DS2 (it was, I discovered later, thanks to Tiktok) - it was because hospital protocol said 2.6.

That's why you need to ask why they're saying 6oz.

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sparklygothkat · 22/11/2007 22:31

can't believe they being so pushy over 1-bloodly-oz

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mears · 22/11/2007 22:31

sparkly - is there an infant feeding specialist at your hospital? The one at our hospital specialises in breast feeding and will support parents with problems.

Why can't Callum just continue to get EBM top-ups until he grows a bit more?

mears · 22/11/2007 22:32

There is bugger all wrong with a 5 oz gain BTW

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sparklygothkat · 22/11/2007 22:37

i know that mears, but the scbu nurse thinks its not enough.. i am getting 2 different opinions, and its confusing for me, imagine if they do this to a first time mum who isn't as bloodlyminded as me...

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NorthernLurker · 22/11/2007 22:39

I am apalled at the pressure that has been put on you by the hospital SGK. Callum is a very lucky little boy - to have such a strong and determined mum - who knows what her child needs and who will stand up for him. All the best to you and your dh as you continue to nurture him

mears · 22/11/2007 22:40

I admire your tenacity!

Is there an infant feeding advisor at the hospital? They used to be called breastfeeding specialists but the name was changed.

If you gave birth in a baby friendly hospital they will have one

Jenkeywoo · 22/11/2007 22:41

I'm so sorry you are going through this shit - my friend had a very similar thing. Her baby just wasn't gaining weight despite being healthy and lively et al - he was demand fed and because she's a young mum they really really bullied her. He ended up getting admitted to hospital when he was about 10 weeks old - she was there for 2 weeks during which time again she was bullied and pressurised but stuck to her guns and refused to give him formula - I think whilst he was in hospital they felt they could keep an eye on him. I think they both benefitted from the rest and he did start gaining better but she is petite and it's obvious he's never going to be a big lad. Another fried of mine who is small has had loads of hassle about her dd's size - why can't they just look at the family and work it out? I think you are doing amazingly well and your courage and conviction is to be admired- I think 5oz in a week is pretty good actually. I'm hoping things get easier for you, having tube fed dd I know it's not much fun. My dd was born at 35 weeks and was tube fed for a week during which I carried out 'operation - get me out of hospital' - despite being told that every 3 hours was fine and in spite of dd being a very sleepy baby I just kept putting her to the breast whenever possible, at least hourly. It worked and she managed to gain enough weight for us to go home. I know you're doing the extra top-ups but is it also worth trying to sqeeze in some extra feeds too?

mears · 22/11/2007 22:41

look here

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sparklygothkat · 22/11/2007 22:49

it says that it is Baby Friendly Progress: Certificate of Commitment

whats that mean?

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mears · 22/11/2007 22:55

It means they are on the way to achieving it. Most likely that there is a breastfeeding co-ordinator (or infant feeding advisor) in post and heading up the process.

We got a certificate of commitment and then got assessmed before achieving the award.

Check out your hopsital website and see if they advertise having one - I bet they do.

She or he can help you as they are usually trained in lactation problems

mears · 22/11/2007 22:57

more info here

laundrylover · 22/11/2007 22:57

Oh SGK,

I am really upset about the treatment you are receiving and wanted to say how proud you should be of yourself for sticking to your guns. Of course 5oz is a great gain and you are happy to top up with the tube. So in fact it is only one part of their 'advice' that you are questionning i.e. why use formula instead of your ready supply of EBM. They could never report you/take action on this as it would be pure madness - it is well documented that BM is far superior to formula and especially vital for prem babies. Also can they not see that you are petite????? Grrrrrr!!!!!!

I hope that you get some back up at the bfing support group.

I know that you are confident in your supply (even though you have the supplement!) and also a very experienced bfer.....if I was advising a first time mum though I would say to increase to every 2 hours during the day. However I do realise how difficult this would be with the other kids etc. so you are right to keep giving Callum an extra 10ml.

When he is weighed do you feed him and top him up with the tube just beforehand? I would be tempted to squeeze and extra oz in and hey presto you have the magical 6oz.

laundrylover · 22/11/2007 23:00

In our area I think she is called 'Infant Nutritionalist' or something along those lines. I should know as I've met her and she is lovely and very supportive.....anyway may be worth looking for that type of job title too.

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sparklygothkat · 22/11/2007 23:04

i can't find anything on the website, he was born at lister hospital in stevenage, if anyone can find it for me

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hunkermunker · 22/11/2007 23:12

Here, SGK

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sparklygothkat · 22/11/2007 23:15

thanks hm. will phone her tomorrow.

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sparklygothkat · 22/11/2007 23:18

ll, thannks for the advice, i will feed and top up tomorrow before weighing and see what happens lol. he is having another feed, only just finished topping up from last feed..

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chipmonkey · 22/11/2007 23:38

Really am puzzled as to what is wrong with 5oz Ds3 was 5lb 3oz at 32 weeks, 8lb at 40 weeks which by my calculations suggests that he gained just under 5oz each week, on average. And my PHN ( Irish HV) was very happy with that!

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