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More Tales from the Unsupportive Breastfeeding Support Group - LONG

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BabiesEverywhere · 22/11/2007 13:07

When I arrived the HCA running the unsupportive breastfeeding ?support? group was giving a lecture on how to choose child care...child minder/nursery. All her own opinions, most of which I did agree with but a bit confused as to why she was telling us how to choose our childcare in a breastfeeding group...but she meant well.

Again this week, the HCA running the group links hunger to night wakening and says that babies who wake up at night need formula, to start solids or more solids (depending on what the child is currently on)

I understood that the modern research showed that introducing a bottle of formula, baby rice etc did not affect sleep patterns either way !?! Please correct me if I am wrong (off to Google for specific information) I asked if babies were just on breast milk wouldn't they just learn to sleep though in their own time. Answer a curt No. Oh I said my daughter did.

I will ask her next week...how/why hunger is linked to night wakening and was it part of her course and which course was that ?
(As I know for a fact her boss is very into exclusive breastfeeding and BLW and would never teach the crap she comes out with. Her boss is currently looking into this woman's work so fingers crossed for changes)

More worrying I overheard (OK, I was listening in) to one of the conversations with a new mum, she had pulled to one side and heard the following. It turns out that the new mum had asked about physical problems she is having feeling tired, light headed and pains, numbness in her legs etc and had asked the HCA for medical advice.

The advice given by the HCA (with no medical training), was to do nothing, come back next week, when the HCA would assess the situation and see if she needed a referral to a HV. Now her symptoms could mean nothing and properly are minor. I have no idea, I am not a medical expert but neither is the HCA. Even if the HCA thinks this mum?s health issues are minor, that is NOT her decision to make

I explained to the mum that the HCA had NO medical training and that it is very important that she speaks to her own midwife/HV or GP to get a proper medical opinion on her symptoms.

Lastly she was trying to convince another mum to wean early and actually said "Even if you give up breastfeeding, you [another mum] can still attend this group, after all we NOW have two bottle feeding mums." She went on to say how good and how proud she is to have these FF mums in the group. Now I am not suggesting that these mums should be chucked out once they wean. They could be supportive to the other breastfeeding women or if breastfeeding didn?t work from them, they might pick up tips for next time.

But what irrates me is that we now have two formula feeding mums who hang off the every word of the HCA and give weight to her biased anti-breastfeeding attitude and opinions. As these two mums think early weaning onto baby rice and mixed feeding is the best thing in the world (good for them) but it is very damaging to the women trying to exclusively breastfeed, who now have three women saying just wean and then your child will sleep.

I have also heard two breastfeeding mums say they feel uncomfortable in bringing up breastfeeding within this group and feel under pressure to explain why they haven?t weaned yet or introduced solids and dare not mention that they?shock horror?.nurse their children at night !!! One mum said she does dare speak, as she is worried what will be said to her I'm so cross, on her behalf

It is so bad that the new mum thought she had stumbled into a weaning group by mistake !!!

Lastly had a 5 minute chat with another mum with 6 month old breastfed baby, who had been discussing formula options with HCA and about trying to introduce a cup as the baby wouldn?t even taken EBM in a bottle. She expressed interest in me still feeding my 15 month old DD. She was told that you HAD to stop feeding at 6 months as they was no health benefit in feeding further (not sure where she got this information from, she didn?t say)

At the start of the conversation she said she wanted to wean at 6 months, I congratulated her on getting to her 6 month goal (her own deadline for nursing) and mentioned that she had given so many health benefits for her child, did she feel proud ? Within a few minutes she said she didn?t really want to wean and only felt she should, as everyone said 6 months was the goal. I should add I only listened and answered her questions about my daughter (how often she feeds at 15 months etc) But it just goes to show lecturing AT the mums does not help them, that?s a waste of everyone?s time. The mother needed to make her own mind up about what was the optimum feeding outcome for her (though in my biased head I am pleased she is going to continue nursing but I understand just because I think it is great doesn?t mean everyone else thinks the same)

I have also asked for the local peer to peer support group (whom I am training with) to get involved with this breastfeeding support group and I am happy to help out once trained. If the peer to peer group can?t get involved this group, we have a backup plan of setting up a different group in the same area and help local mums that way. Though I will still be attending this group weekly with an ear for anyone who needs it.

Lets hope the HCA's boss, the peer to peer group or the consultant midwife (I bumped into and asked for her help with this group)will make a difference for this group.

I am running out of people to bother !!!

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moondog · 24/11/2007 19:46

You could blank them.
Would really be worth getting it right.
Tiktok and Mears could cast a glance at it as well as us,the great unwashed.

moondog · 24/11/2007 19:48

It shouldn't be long.
People switch off.
Babies, I am a champion letter writed. Have spent last 3 months involved in v complicated complaint procedure against my local health trust.

BabiesEverywhere · 24/11/2007 20:22

Health care assistent

I know it shouldn't be long but it is factual, what if the one point I miss out is the necessary one to make a difference.

I will be sending this via email and writing a very short and to the point capsule summary of the complaint in the body of the email.

Then asking the boss to read the attached more detailed report for dates, times and details.

It is her job to read very long and boring reports, I am sure she'll have time to read mine.

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BabiesEverywhere · 24/11/2007 20:42

OK, here is the information I need to condense down for the email...Moondog any suggestions are welcome.
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I am writing to outline, my increasing concerns about the quality and relevance of the support which the Health Care Assistant (HCA) is giving out to first time breastfeeding mothers at the breastfeeding Support Group at TOWN.

The advice the HCA gives to the mothers is often misleading and sometimes completely contrary to government guidelines.

Breastfeeding mums are not allowed to discuss their experiences if it disagrees with the HCA personal opinion. We are not to discuss any breastfeeding related studies or research. Only the HCA can answer a question, even if another breastfeeding mother has relevant experience, they must not speak.

Formula feeding, early weaning to baby rice and weaning of babies totally off breastmilk at a young age are encouraged, praised and are now becoming the dominate feeding choice in the group. We now have two mothers who have stopped breastfeeding, yet continue to attend and bottle feeding during the breastfeeding support group meetings.

Exclusive breastfeeding is derided as painful, tiring, difficult and near impossible to achieve. Every exclusive breastfeeding mother is told how tired she looks and the HCA weekly suggests that a bottle of formula wouldn?t hurt or gives the mother a sample of baby rice to try. This advice continues on a weekly basis, until the mum either stops attending the group or swaps to formula/solids.

The TOWN breastfeeding mothers need a good breastfeeding support group. We need a group in which breastfeeding is encouraged and supported and is seen as a normalized feeding choice within the group.

We need a pro-breastfeeding person running this group, preferably someone who has successfully breastfed themselves and has a positive and supportive attitude towards breastfeeding.

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3andnomore · 24/11/2007 20:43

But what is a Health Care asisstent doing leading a Breastfeeding support group...what do they know, unless they are BFC's or at least properly trained about Breastfeeding support they have no business....especially when they are clueless...

3andnomore · 24/11/2007 20:44

good letter imo

glittersparkleandwarmmincepies · 24/11/2007 21:04

3andnomore i think you could have worded your last comment a little better because it comes across as being a generalisation. I am a HCA and am far from 'clueless' but i am also a BFC and have frequently run my local BF support group. Being a good adviser is about attitude and experience, not always qualifications.

moondog · 25/11/2007 15:57

No,last comment is fine.
Letter is good and to the point.
Ideally there would be concrete examples of her saying these things, but accept it would be v difficult.

Wtf is the free baby rice samples about??
That is well dodgy.

moondog · 25/11/2007 15:57

Use the term 'predominant' for feeding choice reference.

BabyZoot · 25/11/2007 16:11

Thanks Moondog. I also have a more detailed document with specific time, dates and places plus a diary of other events...this is just the summary.

She gives out baby rice at EVERY meeting...grumble grumble.

Oh, on a great note, another mum at the group has decided she wants to complain herself

This makes me feel much better, she has asked for the bosses details which I will pass to her and she is going to pass them onto another mum who was upset about the group.

So we should have three complaints to go to her boss and I am feeling much better about it.

moondog · 25/11/2007 16:21

Great.
Now remember that you need to pass on courtesy copies to other relevant folk, including the immediate line managers of this individual and the Chief Exec.

That makes 'em sit up I can tell you.

NB Good tip: Put in 'cc' to various important scary people even if you have no intention of doing so.In this case,I would suggest Baby Milk Action and MP.Poss. even local rag.

Works for me!

BabyZoot · 25/11/2007 16:39

LOL, I like your thinking

TBH I am not ccing this compliant to anyone, as the boss is well known to a couple of my new friends/aquaintants and she IS the breastfeeding guru in the area.

She was very nice when I spoke to her on the phone before and was happy to sort out additional training for the HCA

When she hears the full story, I am confident she will act.

Watch this space.

moondog · 25/11/2007 16:40

Ah well, fair enough,but be ready to if need be.

BabyZoot · 25/11/2007 16:45

If there needs to be a mark 2, I'll cc to all your suggestions

georgiemama · 26/11/2007 16:54

It really saddens me that getting babies to sleep through the night is seen as a reason to ditch BFing - no slight to anyone who does FF but surely FF babies wake up for feeds too, and I cannot see for the life of me how making up a bottle (or more than one!) in the middle of the night is easier than leaning over to cot, picking up baby, attaching baby to boob and er, that's it.

In fact out of my mum's 3 children I was the only one who was BF for 6 months and I slept through the night from 6 weeks old. If only my DS would copy me!

Mommalove · 26/11/2007 17:40

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babieseverywhere · 26/11/2007 22:04

I agree, breastfeeding is much easier than bottle feeding at night.

Plus don't parents expect babies to be babies..i.e. night waking are a normal part of most babies lifes (mutter mutter...except Mommalove DD )

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