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How TF do you wean a toddler?

11 replies

Zarene · 24/05/2021 12:25

DD 16 months is obsessed with BFing. We were down to one feed a day (mornings), but now DH is doing half the early wake ups with her (5am, so I really want to share it!) and she's become a breast milk gannet.

Whenever she fancies a feed she leads me to the sofa where I usually feed her and points at it, if I don't feed her she has an immense strop. She has her hand down my top all day which I'm finding suffocating and slightly painful when she uses my nipples as a fidget spinner.

Everything I read is about using 'don't offer, don't refuse' to slowly wean toddlers - but what if they ask ALL THE TIME!

Pls help a desperate lady.

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Horehound · 24/05/2021 12:28

Yeh I have the same lol he points to sofa or takes my hand and leads me there.
My DH started getting up with DS so that removed the morning feed.
For before bed time I bring up some cosy milk and cosy Weetabix and he drinks his milk when we are reading books. Sometimes I can get away with saying "ready to go into cot with Ra Ra?" And he will go in no issues. But sometimes he turns around and lays down on me waiting for the boob lol
In the night I've started stopping him after a few minutes and he does come off, goes on the other side, again I cut off after a couple of kin's then he is fine to go back into the cot.
So I think I might have to go cold turkey but I'm waiting on him finishing teething and for his cold to pass. It's so annoying!

CatRatSplat · 24/05/2021 12:41

The issue with the hands down top I think it's the first to crack. Try Everytime she does it say this is mummy's body, point to hers and say this is yours. Remove her hand, if she is using it to fiddle, place a toy in hand and says play with this not mummy's body. It sounds harsh but you need to show her where your boundary is.

The breast feeding weaning may be a case of compromise. Pick a time of day either evening or morning or both when you are happy to feed her. Rest of the time it will be distraction methods, eg sorry honey not ready, where is X?, Let me finish this and then we can do a puzzle / go for walk.

It will be a battle of wills and may take some time.

hopingtobehappiness · 24/05/2021 12:59

I have a 16 month too.. it's just the same. I can't see her weening until she has more understanding. She can't wait at the moment and too starts crying if I say no to a feed. I tried to reduce and do loads of different things with my first and it made no difference. I went cold turkey in the end, but he was over 2 by then.

Horehound · 24/05/2021 13:03

If day the changes I've seen with my boy have "just happened".
Not long after I got pregnant with baby #2 my DS didn't feed before bed for three days. I couldn't believe it and wasn't anything down to me..I wonder if my milk changed or something but then unfortunately he went back to it but as I said some nights o can now not feed g bit some nights I have to.
I always have to when he wakes in the night though

BertieBotts · 30/05/2021 21:59

Don't offer don't refuse is not a weaning technique, IMO, it's just what you naturally end up going to once they're older and get all their necessary calories from solids. I've never known anyone to actively cajole their toddler into a feed!

If you want to wean, you have to make restrictions and refuse sometimes. That will generally involve things like changing aspects of your routine, distraction, or replacing whatever aspect it is they get from BF with something else. Whether that's replacing with milk from a cup/bottle, giving them focused attention (sometimes BF can be a bid for connection with you), or replacing with a different soothing action (sleep, tiredness, upset times).

Or you can increase the interval between feeds - use other techniques/distraction/etc until a certain time period has passed.

Or you can reduce the duration of feeds. Cut them off after a certain number of minutes/seconds. I find this is tricky until you're right in the final stages of weaning and already down to microfeeds (under a minute). Because normal feeds can vary so much, so one time they'll feed for 6 mins, another 20, another 14, another 7, etc, with no pattern to it so it can be hard to consistently shorten them. But maybe some toddlers have a more consistent pattern? I don't know, it's not my experience. I always strongly suspect this is just a port of "Give them half an ounce less each night" and probably just doesn't work for breastfeeding because breastfeeding isn't like that.

If it's during the day, I tend to find restricting it to certain times helps a lot - it's clear and they know what to expect. So if you say no milk now, but you can have it at nap time, for example. Or not here, but when we get home. I tended to offer cow's milk in a cup if they kept asking. Sometimes they would like that and sometimes they'd say no.

Bedtime - don't ask me as I'm still feeding my 2.9yo at bedtime and can't stop Hmm DS1 stopped eventually by himself. But there is loads of advice about weaning off feeding to sleep, breaking the feed to sleep association, changing the bedtime routine to avoid feeding (or simply separate it from sleep at which point you can then later drop it) - you could look up these terms and see if that helps.

Stopping overnight feeds is normally called nightweaning which makes it really easy to search for advice. My accidental night weaning success was being really strict with myself about not bringing him into our bed until 1am, then 2am, then 3am, then he just went through. Also instigating a delay before feeding. So I'd pick him up and just cuddle him for 5 mins before actually allowing him access to the boob. I'd use whatever soothing language I would normally use if I was struggling to open my bra or whatever, so he knew it was coming but just not quite there and then the idea was to extend the delay - I never needed to. If he does wake in the night he goes back off with a cuddle now, even if he asks for milk, he has a cuddle and falls asleep happily before he gets there.

I think it can be really helpful to see these three different times as separate weaning challenges, rather than trying to stop it all in one go. Decide which part you want to cut out the most - day feeds, night feeds, feeding to sleep - and focus on that. Sometimes you'll find that cutting one leads to one or both of the other two stopping or reducing as well. Sometimes if you're struggling to wean at one specific time, swapping to a different time to focus on works better. For example, if you can't nightwean, try stopping feeding to sleep or reducing/stopping feeds in the day instead.

pregnantncnc · 31/05/2021 22:25

@BertieBotts gives fantastic advice! I like seeing it as 3 different stages of weaning.

We are only just starting to make moves towards weaning DS at 15 months (planning to take our time as I'd like to keep BF until at least 18m) so I'm far from an expert, but what I have found helpful so far is staying busy. DH gets him up in the morning and plays with him, then we get out of the house after breakfast, have a snack on the go and get home just in time to wind down for his nap (when he has a breastfeed). He's still BF upon waking from his nap atm and I can't seem to shift that one as he loves a sleepy cuddle feed while he's waking up and gets very upset (not defiant, just confused - and it breaks my heart). Then for the rest of the afternoon I just try to keep us on our feet and busy as much as possible. If we end up on the sofa, my boob ends up out. Sometimes I'm able to hold the boundary of "you can have milk after dinner" etc, but other times I know it won't work and give him a quick feed then move straight onto a snack/activity rather than having the battle. He doesn't BF to sleep anymore, he stopped that by himself, but does have milk overnight as we cosleep and I barely wake up enough before he's found my boob Grin

Best of luck, OP! Sometimes I wish I'd weaned at 11/12m as my friends that did seemed to find it much easier, but we are where we are and I do love BF!

Zarene · 01/06/2021 21:31

Thank you all! And sorry to be slow to catch up with things.

DD has been ill for the last few days and wanting to feed all the time, which is tough.

Thanks in particular @BertieBotts - I agree the 'don't offer don't refuse' advice sounds nuts!

I think I just need to psych myself up for a period of a grumpy baby and vast amounts of distractions.

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BertieBotts · 01/06/2021 21:34

Oh yeah, def don't attempt when ill or teething - that is just asking for trouble :( Hope she feels better soon.

mayblossominapril · 01/06/2021 21:36

I fed my first until he was 2.9 years and I was 25 weeks pregnant with my second. The hands down the top lasted longer than the breastfeeding. I managed to stop him doing it in the day fairly quickly but he still puts a hand on my breasts to fall asleep and he’s almost 4!
I know other parents who successfully used bribery but it didn’t work with mine.

Cyw2018 · 01/06/2021 21:52

My DD was like this pre lockdown at 2.2yrs. I decided I wasn't going to cope with lockdown not being able to sit down without her grabbing at me so on day 1 of lockdown I decided no more day time feeds and just stuck to it and tried to keep her busy and distracted. It worked and she coped fine with it (she hadn't breastfed outside of our home from about 17 mths).

She is now 3.4 and I'm trying to get her to drop her 1-2 minute bedtime feed in order to wean her completely (she copes fine once a week when I'm in work at her bedtime) but when I mention it her face looks like the world is ending!!

BertieBotts · 01/06/2021 21:58

Oh cyw I know that feeling! DS2 is the same! He doesn't even feed for a minute any more so I know he will get there but he is so attached to the idea of "mimi" at bedtime.

I have discovered now though (in case it helps you) I always do the bedtime feed off the right boob. Tried the left boob out of curiosity the other day and it was agony - no milk there at all Confused When he wakes in the middle of the night, if I cuddle him facing the left boob, he doesn't ask for milk. If I cuddle him facing the right milk, he goes crazy until he gets it.

I am wondering if I can do a bedtime cuddle on the left boob and it will have the same magic no-feeding-required effect. I am not particularly hopeful :o but maybe!

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