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Update on the unsupportive breastfeeding support group.

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BabiesEverywhere · 14/11/2007 23:24

Arrived a little late due to the bus, wonder what kind of reception I would get after being threatened to be banned this week and I was ?under orders? not to speak or ask questions roll eyes

Surprisingly, she was pleasant to me and got me a chair and at some point asked how my nursing was going, first time she has asked despite me attending every week. Her boss must have had a word with her. She was issuing her standard instructions, but was tacking on the end of the ?You must wean? type statements by weakly saying in an unconvincing way ?of course that is just my opinion, you don?t HAVE to do it?

Again she mentioned that she had free baby rice samples for any mum who wanted it, slightly better than putting it into a mums hands I thought (not much better but still)

New shell shocked new mum asked advice as tiny baby was only sleeping for 6.5 hours at night and was that enough sleep. Advice was about starting routines and letting the baby whinge/cry (in their own room in the dark) mother looked even more upset.

She also had too much milk what could the HCA advise. Of course this floored her, as she had already given the 'sleep in own room advice' and offering her ?must wean? advice for a tiny newborn would have been beyond stupid even for her.

One of the other mums said with a smile ?was she allowed to speak ?? (referring of course to the HCA shouting at me at the last meeting for speaking) and when given permission, she gave a couple of sensible suggestions and I added a few things too.

I managed to chat to the new mum a bit later on and it turned out that all she wanted was support that by cosleeping, breastfeeding on demand and generally carrying baby around all the time that she wasn?t spoiling her child and that the baby wouldn?t get more sleep if she did it a different way. She was worried about what the HCA had said and asked 'couldn?t she continue to still co-sleep, breastfed on demand'.
Of course I said?she is your child, you must do what feels right for you. I invited her to the next NCT coffee morning and gave her my contact details.

QUESTION I though 6.5 hours of sleep per night was really good for a few week old baby, is that right ?

The HCA did take a few women aside for private talks including the new mum who she managed to upset. I?ll find out what she said next time we meet.

Ironically I bumped into one of the other ladies from the breastfeeding group, one of the mums cornered for a private talk. Turns out the HCA had told her to early wean and was offered a flipping ?free baby rice sample?

The mum said that she thought this lady was an idiot (hurrah) and she only attended the group for social reasons and that I was the only person to actually listen to her feeding problems when she first attended the group. I took her concerns seriously and although I didn?t know the solution to her problem, I suggested some ideas of things to look into/people to ring and that helped her blush

It makes listening to that HCA worthwhile if I managed to help that one mother?.not that I realised I had helped, I just listened for 5 minutes nothing more.

So in conclusion the HCA has decided to toe the line, if she thinks I am listening but continue to talk crap when I am not there to monitor her?is she a flipping child or what !!!

I have a copy of our local PCT Breastfeeding Policy (as suggested by TikTok, Thanks) and I am half way though writing a complaint to her boss. Trying to write down specific examples but it is hard to find a lot of spoken examples, as a lot of what she says sounds supportive ?Of course if you want to TRY to get to 6 months I will support you? It is the rolling eyes and sighs and the whole snidely attitude about how breastfeeding is difficult, painful, near impossible, tiring and keeps babies from sleeping at night. But I will finish and get this off some point this week.

Next week should be easier as my friend will be back attending and there is a third mum we hope to recruit. With three of us sitting spread out in the group we hope to hear and contradict this HCA idiotic information (preventing her private conversations) and pass out numbers for the proper breastfeeding counsellors (NCT, LLL etc)

I am also going to encourage these mothers to complain as well, so the HCA?s boss doesn?t think I am heading a personal vendetta against this HCA?which is certainly not the case I hate the misinformation and lack of support, not the actual woman.

But bumping into the other mother who thanked me (not that I did anything to deserve it) made my week.

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BabiesEverywhere · 14/11/2007 23:25

Sorry I have no idea why some of my quote marks turned into question marks in my last post, hope it is still readable.

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policywonk · 14/11/2007 23:27

Good for you.

policywonk · 14/11/2007 23:27

(I think it happens when you copy something in from a Word doc.)

Shitemum · 14/11/2007 23:30

well done, keep it up

hunkermunker · 14/11/2007 23:30

Well done for being so persistent, BE!

Stupid HV though

NormaStanleyFletcher · 14/11/2007 23:32
colditz · 14/11/2007 23:35
glittersparkleandwarmmincepies · 14/11/2007 23:35

thanks for the update, glad the stupid woman didnt scare you away. i just want to add that some people had said in your previous thread that as a HCA she wasnt qualified to give advice, well i am a HCA (though not in a maternity/HV capacity) but i am also a breastfeeding supporter, and it is in this role that i feel i can give better advice/suggestions because it is something i have truly experienced, an area it would seem that your group leader is lacking in.

although the HCA is clearly at fault for giving crap and opinionated advice, the blame should also lie with her supervisor for not being more aware of what she is saying.

good on you for taking a stand, sadly many new mums are so impressionable that they will take advice from wherever they can get it regardless of whether its good or not.

PeachesMcLean · 14/11/2007 23:36

Ever thought of volunteering as a counsellor yourself????

BabiesEverywhere · 15/11/2007 09:30

QUOTE Ever thought of volunteering as a counselor yourself UNQUOTE
Strange you should ask this, inspired by the rubbish HCA, I was aiming to volunteer at the local hospital (and still hope to) and I am currently half way though a 30 hour (10 weeks x 3 hours per week) peer to peer support training course.

Although I love doing the course, by week 5 I have not learnt one thing I didn't already know before hand. I feel the information is very general/basic (understandable due to the short length of course) and I wonder how much realistic use I will be at the end of the course to other mums.

I found out last week that hospital volunteers can not take their children in with them, which basically means I can not volunteer unless I find the money to pay for a child minder but I hope to find a slot evening/weekends when my DH is around. Now I feel guilty for taking the place, though they arranged a free nursery place for my DD and knew from the start that I was a nursing mother.

They do want to set up support groups all over the city but with the limited training and no supervision I would worry about unwitting giving crap advice and not being corrected. People who think they know what they are doing and have a small amount of knowledge can sometimes do more harm than good, like the HCA I talk about. Knowing when something is out of your remit and when to refer on to the experts is an essential skill for support volunteers, hopefully this will be covered in weeks 6 to 10 (I hope !!!)

I have also started to apply for a two year proper breastfeeding counselor course with one of the big charities but as yet I am unsure if I have the qualities needed to do this kind of work properly and I have to do something properly else it is not worth doing at all.

What is so good about these proper courses is that on top of all the initial learning/training over 2 years, then is proper supervision and compulsory ongoing yearly training to ensure that everyone is singing off the same song sheet as such and that any bad apples or bad information is weeded out along the way.

Sorry for a long winded answer, the short answer is yes, I aim to help local nursing mothers but in which way I am not sure yet

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morningpaper · 15/11/2007 09:36

well done BE, keep it up

pastilla · 16/11/2007 15:47

good to hear
keep on chasing them
i should try to be more like you, i tend to close my ears, lalalala, when people are spouting crap but it is so much better to challenge them and get them to either change or at least keep quiet about stuff they know nothing about

lemonaid · 16/11/2007 16:09

Could you claim that your DD is a prop for demonstrating breastfeeding, rather than a "child" per se?

BabiesEverywhere · 16/11/2007 17:24

LOL, Like it, she is my living breathing breastfeeding demo doll

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moondog · 16/11/2007 17:31

Good on you BE.
Isn't it dreadful that health professionals have to be policed like this??

Eben the giving out of free baby rice samples sounds well dodgy.

What an idiot!

Have you looked into Assoc. for Breastfeeding Mothers of which I am a member?

I will link...

moondog · 16/11/2007 17:38

ABM Go to Training section

Mossy · 16/11/2007 22:28

BE, I too am doing the Peer Supporter training; I too wanted to volunteer in local hosi wards, I too have been put off because can't take ds in with me... So I too am looking into what I can do at weekends (especially as at some point I'm going to have to go back to paid work).

I do think there is something in the saying taken from Alexander Pope: "A little learning is a dangerous thing," when it comes to the peer supporter training... there's nothing, really, that you can't learn for yourself in a good few hours spent on Kellymom and on here, and there's a lot that isn't taught that - to my mind - would be essential.

I know that back when I was struggling, I had a peer supporter check my latch and tell me it was fine, when it clearly wasn't, for example... although never experienced anything as awful as your bf "support" group!!

BabiesEverywhere · 18/11/2007 11:42

ITA Mossy,

The way I see it peer to support voluteers are much better than nothing and we are meant to listen 'as knwoledgable friends' nothing more and I know on my course they have mentioned that we are not to chat about anything medical based (duh of course not)

I am only half way though my course, so I hope the following are included in the second half.

...how to check that a latch is effective (we have list of positional guidleines but how do we know if milk transfer is ging well, or is that a BFC job..off to google that bit)
...when to refer on to a fully trained breastfeeding counsellor
...list of local/national helpline numbers to pass on to the mums (I have made my own but would like everyone on the course gets a list...I will offer my list if nothing mentioned by week 10)
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Mossy · 18/11/2007 20:08

BE, what does ITA mean?

Yes, ikwym, I too would have liked info on exactly how to check a latch is effective.

I also asked "what do you do when a woman tells you she has been given such and such advice by a health care professional but you know it's wrong?" but that question was skirted over a bit... something I'm going to bring up again at the end.

Yes, listening as a knowledgeable friend, that sums it up I think.

Would love to do proper BFC training if I didn't have to get a paid job in the New Year.

BabiesEverywhere · 18/11/2007 20:36

ITA I Totally Agree

I think the ABM course is 100% written assignment based and therefore could be done at home. The NCT one has monthly or bi-monthly tutorials and just a couple of weekend workshops. Not sure on the LLL course.

So depending on the course, it might be possible to do a BFC course around work and children, though I suppose it demands on if you had the spare time. I know, I can hear you laughing at the concept of free time for a any parent.

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BabiesEverywhere · 18/11/2007 20:39

Moondog, Thanks for your links.

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pastilla · 18/11/2007 21:22

mmm, i joined the abm and hope to train in the new year
i want to know when it isn't the latch - i know too many people who've been upset by all the 'latch' talk and then it turned out to be tongue tie/reflux etc

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