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does anyone know if the nspcc or social services are doing anything about the child cruelty on bring up baby

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robinredbreast · 05/10/2007 16:49

as if there not going to do anything ...ill bloody well cancel my subscription

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StudentMadwife · 05/10/2007 22:00

eh?

ScummyMummy · 05/10/2007 22:01

you have a subscription to social services?

MaryBleedinShelley · 05/10/2007 22:04

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StudentMadwife · 05/10/2007 22:08

lol

robinredbreast · 05/10/2007 22:52

ill find another childrens charity to subscribe to other than nspcc and cancel my direct debit
thank you

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MerlinsBeard · 05/10/2007 22:59

this is getting silly

first of all..if you want to make a stand do so but research properly - ie not on MN

The programme has already ben filmed, those babies could be a year old by now for all you know so very little can be done about the actual filming side.

Its not the programme you dislike, its the method/s on it. As i have already said on another of your many threads on this, there is some good advice when you look past the cattle rearing. Your campaign should be imo against the methd you find inappropriate and you should be funding research to back up your claims with which to start a valid petetion or whatever.

you have had replies on other threads from people who have contacted ofcom and the nspcc but you are blinded by your hatred of the programme as a whole

determination · 05/10/2007 22:59

I havent watched that programme but, EVERYONE seems to be talking about it. Is it really that bad?

I have been compared to the family with the slings though... good or bad??

daisyandbabybootoo · 05/10/2007 23:01

definately good, determination

MaryBleedinShelley · 05/10/2007 23:02

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robinredbreast · 05/10/2007 23:05

hello determination how are you doing?

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LittleBella · 05/10/2007 23:11

The programme is not fine.

It presents 3 methods of bringing up children, 2 of which are presented as extremes and one of which is presented as the moderate way.

It's not fine. It's dishonest journalism, pretending to be unbiassed, but ensuring that the Spock method is presented as the most reasonable one.

Also, the methods used by CV have already been researched and found to be harmful. No-one needs to do any further research to know those methods are harmful. So her methods are simply not valid. If Channel 4 presented a group of scientists to have a discussion about the origins of the universe and one of them was a creationist and they presented creationism as being a valid scientific theory, worthy of discussing alongside Darwinism, there would be more than a few raised eyebrows. This programme is doing the equivalent in childcare theory. It's rubbish. It's not fine. Really it's not.

LittleBella · 05/10/2007 23:12

Why is this in breast and bottle feeding btw?

lisad123 · 05/10/2007 23:12

robin, i think thats a little harsh. Think about all the other children they help. I know you have are upset, like most of us about the idea of a child being left for hours tocry, and i totally agree, however the NSPCC do a wonderful job in many ways.
I would defo go for the huggies group instead who are actively supporting rather than the NSPCC, who has enough on their plates without chaneel4 adding to them.

LittleBella · 05/10/2007 23:14

The NSPCC are going to issue a statment after the whole series has been aired

lisad123 · 05/10/2007 23:14

i agree bella, seems to show spock in a wonderful light, although i think they are hard pressed to find much wrong with CS methods

gorgeousmum · 08/10/2007 13:41

Re: NSPCC and BUB, I sent them the following email last night...

Dear Sir / Madam

I spoke at length to both your duty manager and your public relations person last Wednesday regarding child protection concerns raised from the Channel 4 programme Brining Up Baby. I was quite surprised that, despite this being the second week of showing this programme (which has caused serious public concerns about child neglect and safety) the people I spoke to from your organisation seemed woefully un-informed both about the programme and also what could be done to protect babies from Claire Verity, the so called Maternity Nurse. I was told that ?there is nothing you can do? and that you would be issuing a press statement at the start of this coming week. I have since seen an email that you sent to someone else saying that you will not be commenting until the series is finished.

I have been a supporter and donor to you and Childline for many years. I am deeply troubled by your lack of swift action on many levels. How on earth can you run TV adverts that show a baby left alone in a cot saying ?Miles has learnt that no one comes whether he cries or not? and when there are real instances of this happening to real babies on TV (and potentially other babies through the airing of such methods) that you are so slow to make any definitive media statements to explain the serious developmental effects of emotional abuse nor take any actions to protect actual children?

Claire Verity has referred to day old infants as manipulative and called them ?it?. She has made parents leave them in a pram for 3 hour stretches in the garden regardless of any distress shown. She has taught them not cuddle the newborns in between feeds, not give any eye contact during feeds and put them in their cot, alone in a room (with the door shut) between 7pm to 7am, ignoring all the babies cries. She teaches them to only cuddle the babies for 10 minutes a day. My instinct tells me this is wrong. My professional background (social work) and much research tells me it is neglect, a form of child abuse under the Children Act 1989, that may well cause significant harm to the child?s development.

What these babies are being subjected to (and the fact that this method was being normalised by being shown on TV as a valid way to raise a baby)is now well known to cause damage to brain development (read ?Why Love Matters? by Sue Gerhardt for a good summary of latest brain development research). The consequence of this is not visible within 3 months (the length of Channel 4's 'experiment') but the impact can be profound - including severe depression, anxiety and personality disorders, problems with attachment and relationships and other serious mental ill health. This is well known by anyone in the childcare field who is competent and up to date (unlike it would seem, Channel 4?s medical advisors). I would have hoped that the NSPCC would have jumped at the chance to challenge this silent form of child neglect that has been provided by this programme. Instead, the only experts that seem to be given airtime are the FSID reps who make no point at all about emotional abuse and neglect. In addition to the PR / public education / media ethics being raised by this programme, I do think there are also child protection referrals with regards to the two families shown on the programme (I understand full well the vulnerability of new parenthood and my concern is more about Claire Verity exploiting these parents by getting them to go against their instinct in the quest to ?get their life back?). By the end of programme two, one set of parents was clearly referring to their 2 week old infant as manipulative and attention seeking, as if the baby was ?bad? for having needs and expressing them by crying. Any parent insisting on using these methods who were being assessed by social services would be failing. Any childminder using these methods would be struck off by Ofsted. Why is it not a child protection issue simply because it is on TV? If we were seeing televised paedophilia, I suspect that the child protection / safeguarding wheels would have started turning very quickly. Why is this form of abuse being treated differently? It is not given any different status under the Children Act ? emotional abuse is a clear category under law. I was astounded when your child protection helpline said to me that ?the NSPCC cannot act unless a member of the family is making a referral?. That is nonsense. I, and others on the various parenting forums, would like to see this taken up as a child protection case.

I am so frustrated that I have not heard members of the NSPCC on the media on such programmes as Five Live and BBC breakfast ? I don?t know if you have heard these interviews, but they are simply giving more airtime to Claire Verity and her methods - and turning this debate into a ?routine? v ?no routine? issue ? it is not about routine. It is about the serious neuro developmental damage done by her advocating a ?no touch / no responsiveness? approach to parenting that forces a newborn to be emotionally independent of its parents from day one in order to prove ?who is boss?. This is abuse. I am a new mum and all my mum friends are talking about this programme ? I am not exaggerating to say that every single one I have spoken to (and it is running into the 30?s) are deeply upset and distressed by it. I am now doubly distressed by the fact that the national organisation that should be speaking up for the child and against child cruelty is being so silent and seemingly ineffectual.

You may be interested to know that your name is coming up on mumsnet ? an online network of thousands of mum?s ? and it is not in a good light, for the reasons I have outlined above. Please act now - both for the sake of children and to restore your credibility in the eyes of your supporters.

I look forward to your reply.

gorgeousmum · 09/10/2007 15:09

Just to let you know that I posted a copy of my email to the NSPCC on teh Channel 4 Family forum. After 12 hours, it has been removed. Unbelivable!

ineedapoo · 09/10/2007 15:11

brilliant email

robinredbreast · 09/10/2007 17:08

gorgeous mum
well done
this is a superb letter,wish i was as articulate as you, how interesting that c4 took it off there website
you are a fantastic person to try and actually do something

three cheers for gorgeous mum

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Highlander · 09/10/2007 17:15

brilliant email, gorgeousmum.

Do you think we should all do letters to them? (I'm soooo slack at complaining/protesting. I never express myself very coheretnly).

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