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Breastfeeding and alcohol.

35 replies

prufrock · 12/09/2002 09:47

I feel terrible for saying this, but I want a drink! My daughter is 4 months old, I was breastfeeding exclusively until I came back to work 2 weeks ago. She now has one bottle of expressed and one formula during the day, and breast the rest of the time. I am going to a big party tonight, and I want to get drunk. It's been over 18 months since I was last drunk so plaese don't judge me to harshly!
My husband will be looking after her whilst I am out, and I have expressed milk for him to ffed her. My question is, if I drink say 8 units, when will it be safe for me to breastfeed again without getting my daughter drunk?

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Philippat · 12/09/2002 10:39

I think they normally say 2 hours a unit (although others may correct me on that).

Don't forget you'll need to express (entertaining when you've had a few) and throw away the milk during that period. You have to do it both to keep your supply up and stop getting too full, but you need to throw it away because the alcohol will be there.

don't forget to drink a lot of water too, or you'll get dehydrated from the alcohol and your supply will suffer (or you'll get a much worse hang over!).

You may find after not drinking for a bit it won't take you eight units to get drunk any more! I remember when I stopped breastfeeding I hadn't drunk any alcohol or caffeine for 15 months and I got quite tipsy on a Red Bull!

Enjoy, don't feel guilty. Don't put too much expectation on it though - could turn out to be crap party!

mears · 12/09/2002 11:00

I am going to be contraversial to some here. I have B/F 4 babies exclusively and have on occasion been a bit drunk when doing so. I could not be bothered with the hassle of expressing after drinking to get rid of alcohol - the transfer to milk is not direct though ofcourse alcohol will be present.
You will not get your daughter drunk, whenever you feed her. The only caution I would have is that you do not co-sleep with her if you are inebriated as there is a danger that you might lie on her.
Enjoy your night out. I would say the same as Phillipat here, the expectation of a good night being pi**ed may not materialise. After having children I hated the sensation of being really drunk so didn't feel the need anymore. I did drink in moderation whilst feeding though.
Enjoy your night

bells2 · 12/09/2002 11:11

Glad you said that Mears as I too have drunk in moderation throughout breastfeeding. Probably only 1 glass when they were exclusively breastfed but now that we are down to 2 feeds a day (at 10 months) I often have 2 glasses of wine and occassionally 3.

Enid · 12/09/2002 11:20

So my fantasy of sitting in bed nursing my new baby whilst drinking a large glass of Bailey's isnt necessarily a pipe dream?

Ghosty · 12/09/2002 11:27

I can't help on the B/F front as I didn't b/f for very long!
On the 'getting drunk for the first time after having a baby' front though ... I used to be a bit of a drinker before I became pregnant and I missed pubbing and clubbing and getting p**d a lot after I had ds.
I have to say that I have NEVER been able to let myself go like I used to since I had DS - I have been drunk but it only takes a couple. It's mainly because I just cannot bear the thought of looking after DS with a hangover! Also by the time I have had a couple my tiredness takes over and I just want to curl up and go to sleep (am a source of amusement to my friends and a sore disappointment to my DH as we used to be great drinking partners!)
I'd love to know if you manage your 8 units - I know that I would be a dribbling wreck if I had that now!
Have a really good night prufrock relax but don't expect too much from yourself!

Rhubarb · 12/09/2002 11:49

Ghosty - it will come back with practice believe me! If your dh wants his drinking partner back why not suggest that he gets ds up on say, Saturday mornings, leaving you to have a lie-in, and you get ds up on Sunday mornings letting dh have a lie-in. That way you have have a few on Friday night without holding back. It's also good to be able to leave ds at granny's or somewhere occasionally overnight, so both of you can have a few!

As for drinking whilst b/f, well I did this too although in moderation. In fact I probably drank less whilst b/f than I did whilst pregnant. If I wanted a night out I would start expressing a week early and freeze the milk, that way I would ensure that I had plenty of supplies. Throughout the night I would disappear into the toilets every now and then just to express the excess and throw it away. Then when I came home I would do another express and throw that away, and the same first thing in the morning, just to make sure I had got rid of any alcohol and other toxins, (now is the time to have that red hot curry!). I would also make sure dh knew that he was to get up in the morning with her. I figured it out like this, if you are not in a fit state to drive first thing in the morning, then you are not in a fit state to b/f, so leave it until late morning/early afternoon.

However I have to say that selfish as it sounds, this is one of the reasons I weaned her off the breast at 4 months. I felt that I was still pregnant and I wanted my social life back. It's no fun watching your other half go out and do all the things you used to do before you were pregnant! So have a great night out Prufrock, you deserve it!

nics1stbaby · 12/09/2002 12:06

Prufrock,

I asked this very same question in my antenatal class yesterday, and what's my excuse... it's only been 8 months!! The midwife advised that a glass or two is fine, and if you go out for an evening, enjoy, just express and discard whislt you feel rough.

Enjoy!!

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Alley22 · 12/09/2002 12:15

I breastfed my little boy, and sometimes drank at if I was invited to parties etc. I found that expressing enough milk for the morning feed was usually enough and then I would feed him again myself.

However, I remember once waking up literally in a pool of milk in bed, so it has its pros and cons!!

(my friends used to laugh as when I was out my breasts used to just get bigger and bigger and used to leak when I was breastfeeding - urgh!)

Also, he never slept very well (not until he was 14 months) and my midwife used to say have a drink with your dinner and feed him before he goes to bed, Im not sure whether that was to calm him down or me! but she meant to settle him at bedtime.

I didnt disagree!

I like the odd drink, I drank a small glass of Guiness when I was pregnant and breastfeeding - loads a iron (I was very anaemic, good excuse huh!)

tiktok · 12/09/2002 12:55

This presses my buttons! No one needs to express and discard ('pump and dump' after they have had even a lot to drink - this just makes bf a difficult thing to do and stops it fitting in with what people want to do with their lives.

Here are the facts (courtesy of Medications and Mothers Milk by Dr Thomas Hale) - 'the bsolue amount of alcohol transferred into milk is generally low'. and further: 'maternal blood alcohol levels must attain 300mg/dl bfore significant side effects are reported in the infant.' Do the maths. Current drink driving limits are 80mg per 100 cl (which is 1 dl)...so in order for a baby to show significant side effects you need to have drunk more than three times the drink driving limit.

Any effects on the baby are temporary. Obviously it's not 'good' for a baby to have side effects, but they do go.....just as your liver processes alcohol and you are fine and alcohol-free later, so does the baby's. A tiny baby might be expected to handle this less well than an older one of four months (because of the immaturity of the liver).

Now, some people might not want any effects, or might not want any alcohol in the breastmilk at all....so they choose not to drink, or to drink moderately. That's their choice. Yes, think in terms of about two hours per unit, if you want to work out when your milk will be totally booze-free.

Use your own feelings as a guide, too. If you no longer feel drunk, then your milk has less alcohol.

Remember, too, the baby is drinking the alcohol diluted by your breastmilk. He then processes it in his gut. His own blood alcohol level will be way, way lower than yours.

Alley22 · 12/09/2002 13:13

I just always had some frozen anyway so used this instead, cant say I thought about it too deeply when I was doing it.. as my mum used to help me (lived at home for the first year) she used to pop her head round the door and sometimes say 'Ill do it' and get up and feed him, needless to say thats why there was always an endless supply in the freezer, just in case she offered!

Rhubarb · 12/09/2002 13:45

Ah but Tiktok, if you want a peaceful nights sleep it may be better not to breastfeed anyway if you've had some to drink. My dd hated the taste of my milk if I'd had alcohol and she would get grizzly at night. So although she might not have gotten drunk from my milk, it certainly didn't do her much good. Plus how many of us want to get up during the night to b/f if we've had a few!!! As for expressing and dumping, well I'll be damned if I'm going to carry my excess milk along with me in my handbag of an evening!

tiktok · 12/09/2002 14:29

Rhubarb...all I'm saying is mothers need information, and then they can choose. The info should be based on good evidence. Some babies may react to the taste of the milk, and this might mean a broken night. If that's a big deal to some (and it may be) they can then weigh that inconvenience against pumping in advance....also an inconvenience.

Lucy123 · 12/09/2002 15:03

tiktok - quite right. I've heard several people say they gave up breastfeeding because they wanted to go out again - surely the odd tiny bit of alcohol is better for a baby than formula all the time? Another guilt-trip for new mothers...(and I often have one or two glasses of wine, sometimes several)

jasper · 12/09/2002 15:18

It has never occurred to me to let breastfeeding come between me and my drinking

mears · 12/09/2002 15:21

Glad to see your posting Tiktok. I had a friend who, for her baby's christening wanted to drink so gave the baby formula - she hadn't had any before. As a result her dd was grissly on her special day because she wanted the breast. I told her that she could feed her but she had it in her head that alcohol and breastfeeding did not mix. To me it was worse for her baby to have formula than a breastfed from her mum who only had had a few drinks anyway.
Go ahead, drink, breastfeed and be merry

bells2 · 12/09/2002 15:26

I am grateful for you post Tiktok as I have really struggled in the past to find detailed info on breastfeeding and alcohol.

Demented · 12/09/2002 16:29

prufrock, I was going to ask the very same question myself last week, I just didn't get round to it.

I went out for the first time since having DS2 for a girls' night out. It was great!!! I left EBM with my DH, fed DS up until the moment I went out, big glass of wine in hand, enjoyed a few more glasses of wine with my meal whilst out (had gone out with the intention of only having another glass or so as I was BF), followed by a Baileys, a coke (had a guilty moment), then a vodka! Had a great night, came home, DS2 asleep, got up for the night feed, bleery eyed at about 4am, felt rotten on Saturday!

DS2 didn't seem in the least bit bothered about the alcohol content of my milk, I did have my pump with me incase I became too uncomfortable but in the end I didn't need it, I did express when I came home and am afraid did pump and dump (love that expression), mainly because the milk appeared mostly to be foremilk as I was so full, I only expressed enough to relieve the discomfort.

Go out and enjoy yourself, have a great night!

Philippat · 12/09/2002 17:09

Oh goodness, I didn't mean to suggest you HAD to pump and dump, just assumed that prufrock wanted to do this (sorry all!).

I personally chose no alcohol and no caffeine from day of conception to end of breastfeeding but that was my choice and I don't think many people say that's what you have to do!

Much more important to breastfeed for longer, don't give up because you want a drink!

SofiaAmes · 12/09/2002 21:51

I drank in moderation throughout bfing (15 mo.) and never noticed it having any effect on my ds (although there were times when I wished it would put him to sleep). However, I almost never (bfing or not) drink more than 2 drinks in an evening, so I've never had to worry about the effects of excess drinking.
I would reiterate what mears said about co-sleeping if you've had to much to drink. That is probably a much greater risk to your baby than the small amounts of alcohol that make it into the breastmilk.

Willow2 · 12/09/2002 22:27

When my cousin was a baby my aunt rushed him to hospital, fearing that he was peeing blood. In fact it turned out to be that rare disease "mother got absolutely twatted on port last night".

WideWebWitch · 12/09/2002 23:33

Willow2

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Philippat · 13/09/2002 09:20

Did you have a good party prufrock?