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***ABSOLUTE DESPERATION*** Switching from breast to bottle, Expert breast to bottlers please!

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Pinions · 18/06/2007 19:34

Please can ANYONE help.

Have been exclusively breastfeeding for last 10 weeks and now want to switch to do both.

I have tried absolutely everything but NOTHING seems to work and am really starting to panic, because do not want to be bf solely for the next 12 months.

We have tried the "boob" type tommee tippee bottle, the boots nipple shield type things which are supposed to "stick" to your boob but which do not work at all, and have just gone off and bought even MORE bottles today from boots, their own brand of "boob" type bottle with a rough nipple type teat.

Tried warming the teat first.
Tried DH feeding instead of me.
Tried giving milk when ravenous.
Tried giving milk when not really all that hungry.
Tried giving it first thing/last thing. Tried giving milk through a dropper type thing.
Tried giving it through a cup/bottle lid. Tried 3 different type of formula feed. Tried EBM. Tried dripping it into the mouth first.
Tried "tricking" bb and slipping it in in the middle of normal feed.
Tried sitting up/lying down.

GOD I AM AT MY WITS END PLEASE HELP !!!!!!!

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phenobarbidoll · 20/06/2007 15:45

Hi - thanks for this stuff,I am in exactly the same situation as Pinions and found all this stuff really useful. I seem to be finding that warming the teat and the milk has helped, as well as feeding her EBM when she's hungry, but not starving. Just a quick question though - does anyone else find that their EBM separates out and looks curdled when its in the fridge for a few hours? It goes back together when shaken up, but its very disconcerting. Is this usual?

Katy44 · 20/06/2007 18:42

yes mine does the same, sure i've read its normal and a good shake is all that's needed

popeye123 · 20/06/2007 20:27

hi
milk seperating is absolutely normal. its just the cream seperating out. shake it up and it will be fine.
a friend of mine didn't realise and used to throw it away - oooohhh the waste!

ZinaD · 21/06/2007 11:27

I'm glad I found this thread as I've been desperately trying to get my 6.5 month old dd to take milk from anything but my boob for the last couple of weeks, as i go back to work in a week and a half. But from what I've read there is no clear cut answer that applies to everyone.

I want to keep morning and evening breast feeds and have her on formula in the day - at first it seemed that she hated the formula, then it seemed it was the bottles, now it seems that it's down to a battle of wills!

I have had a number of successes but what's most frustrating is that they haven't stuck! And what's sad is that this preoccupation and failing battle is ruining my last couple of weeks of leave with my baby

dd took bottles of EBM (avent bottles that came with the pump) in the early weeks and months, but after no bottles for a while she refused one day when left with my godmother and preferred to go hungry. She also refused from daddy so I hunted out some new teats - I got the Boots medium flow teats with nipple like texture and gave her fresh EBM one morning for her first feed, heated to a bit warmer than body temperature - SUCCESS.

Then no bottles again for a while by the time she was around 5 months (as we'd been too happy with the ease and convenience of breastfeeding) so I thought I'd try going straight to a cup, as recommended by the HV at 6 months (without no-spill valve). She's happy sipping water and a bit of cartoned formula from it but otherwise I didn't have that much luck for a full milk feed.

So I decided to go back to the bottle and Boots teats. Not much luck at first but then I got her to take about half a feed of (coldish) formula after a swim last week (she was sat in her carseat, I was outside the car) - moderate success.

Next morning I gave her a small bottle of fresh EBM from the bottle and she took it, though not over-enthusiastically. Then that afternoon I tried her on a bottle of formula. I sat in a different place in the lounge, where she could see the trees blowing (me perched uncomfortably on the arm of the chair) and it took several minutes of tears, screaming and squirming just putting the teat in her mouth when on an open cry. Her crying finally paused here and there and suddenly she just started sucking and downed the whole thing. SUCCESS.

The next day I did the same thing - EBM in the morning and a bottle of formula at my boss's house (don't know if the change in environment made a difference again) and after some initial protests she took the whole bottle again.

But on the next couple of days I (perhaps over-optimistically) dropped the morning EBM and gave her the bottle of formula once late morning and once in the afternoon. Though she seemed quite eager for the bottle and kept reaching for it and putting it in her mouth, she seemed to have forgotten what to do and kept biting the teat in the corner of her mouth and looking round the room. She eventually took about half the bottle by which time it had gone cold but she must not have been that hungry as she was OK without a breast feed her until quite a bit later.

However the real bummer was the next day when daddy was to give her a bottle of EBM. Much to my bemusement he wasn't receptive to the pointers I wanted to give him (i.e. don't give in to her first protest against it, which I think he did) and I think he let her learn that if she protests and cries enough she won't have to take it. Now we have gone back to step -1. She absolutely won't take the bottle at all and protests to the point that I think I'm scarring her against the bottle forever. She'll still sip at a cup of milk but I can't see her taking a whole milk feed from it.

So I left it for a couple of days, hoping that her little memory would be erased of bad lessons and associations. This morning I went to give her a bottle of EBM and she opened her mouth to take it but dammit, I think it was too warm and by the time we'd cooled it she'd got into a tizz.

We're in Scotland this weekend and she's always better behaved with other people around, so I'll try properly with right temperatures, timing etc and have my fingers crossed.

FWIW, the HV told me yesterday that a lot of her breast-bottle mums have most luck with the simple 99p narrow NUK bottles that you'd find in a chemist. Haven't seen them myself (going to look today) but she said the teat is brown and looks a bit weird). If no luck, I might also look at those Mothercare bottles mentioned here.

It's sad having to go through this, as if I didn't have to go back to work I'd happily breastfeed for a few more months. But yes it is a good idea to get your LO used to the bottle from an early age, then you won't have to go through this panicked process further down the line.

ScoobyC · 21/06/2007 11:31

re milk seperating, just be careful cos if you shake too much/often it curdles!! Found out from bitter experience as was slightly obsessed with shaking out the separation and then thought it was going off, but was actually just curdling...

popeye123 · 21/06/2007 14:17

this is a thought, rather than a concrete suggestion for ZinaD.

at 6.5mths, you MAY find that as your DD is presumably on solids now , that you can get away with a good bf in the morning and at night time and don't bother with milk during the day at all. assuming again, she is happy to take water from a bottle/cup during the day? any concerns you have with calcium can be made up by ensuring she has plenty of yogurt and cheese.

i'm suggesting this as some of my friends babys just seemed to go off bottled milk even when they had happily taken the bottle before. (the babies are still living to tell the tale )some friends also just went straight to a cup and cut out this battle altogether.

i know the dilema might now be whether you ought to perserve with the bottle or not but i wanted to try to take the pressure off so you can enjoy your weekend away and the next couple of weeks.

maybe talk it over with HV, taking into account how far into weaning you are and how well you are progressing

ZinaD · 22/06/2007 01:03

thanks a lot popeye123, that is helpful and quite a reassuring thought. i got her to take a bit of formula twice today, once in the high st and once after swimming again, from a bottle-cup thing mentioned earlier, which was quite good. i'll see how the weekend goes. have a good one too

TheOldestCat · 22/06/2007 19:34

A fellow casualty from the bottle/boob battlefield here - hope I can help.

My DD (now 7months) wouldn't take a bottle at all, but at 5 months she quite happily slurped away from a doidy cup (or one of those avent magic cups with the valve taken out). Starting nursery at 6 months unsettled her and she wouldn't take any milk at all. Against my better judgement, I went with the nursery's suggestion to try bottles. We had some limited success with the tommee Tippee looks like a nork one. But not much. It all got a bit worrying as she started losing weight a couple of weeks ago.

But she was still slurping from the doidy cup from me so I asked the nursery to try again with that and - bingo - she's taking it. Not all of it, but we're getting there.

So, I think it's perserverence, as other people have said. And just finding what works for your baby. DD likes being able to hold the cup and control how she feeds I think.

Agree with popeye's advice for ZinaD - DD is now taking a lot of solids at nursery; they mix a lot of my EBM with her cereal and other meals. So she is getting milk in other ways. It's a worry, but it will be alright in the long run.

Pinions · 27/06/2007 18:41

Update.

Still no luck unfortunately with the bottle, though he will now tolerate bottle in his mouth even if he won't "suck" so maybe thats progress?

Although I think between us we've pretty much exhausted all the methods, but if anyone has any fresh ideas, they would be very welcome!!!

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Pinions · 27/06/2007 18:41

And zina thanks for the very lengthy post!!!

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ZinaD · 04/07/2007 22:43

hello again. just to update that dd has taken a good few bottle fulls from the bottle-to-cup trainer i found in superdrug - it has a spout shaped like a beaker but made of softer rubber that she can suck and bite on. she has taken full bottles mostly when it's cartoned formula but plays around with formula made from powder and sometimes hardly takes any. the bottle-cup is probably not a solution for pinion's younger baby but i can report success with it at 7 months.

however, saying that, after my second day of work it seems that popeye123 was right, as dd has happily eaten her lunch and drunk lots of water from her beaker with granny but only drunk a small amount of the milk offered. BUT she has been happy as larry and no evident problems, as she has good feeds from me in the morning and evening and is a chubby little girl anyway. so i'm no longer worried (and happy to be back at work) - thanks so much for the advice popeye123 and TheOldestCat

TheOldestCat · 05/07/2007 20:17

That's great news, ZinaD. Sounds as if our 7-month-old DDs are very similar! Mine sometimes takes an ounce or two from her cup. But she scoffs the EBM mixed in with her breakfast and has sips of water during the day. She also eats her solids now and has started gaining weight again after losing it.

Pinions - my only advice is that you will get there. He's still young; my DD didn't start doing much with the cup until she was about 4 months. Or at least you'll get to a place where it's manageable (by mixing milk in with solids etc once he gets older).

And you've made great progress with the bottle. Perhaps a soft spouted cup like Zina's when he's bigger?

Good luck!

beanstalk · 06/07/2007 19:41

Hi there, haven't read the whole thread so apologies if I've missed something, but just thought I would post my experience, Pinions, as I feel for you. I was in exactly the same position with my DD who refused point blank to take a bottle - I tried everything and had to resign myself to bfing for ever ! Then when I started to wean her at around 22 weeks I tried again and she was more receptive. Now at 27 weeks she will happily guzzle a bottle of formula or bf and I am doing half and half but know that I could move to complete bottle feeding very easily if I wanted.
I know you probably don't want to wait that long, but ime they are more open to new ways of feeding at 5-6 months and so is a good time to try if you don't get any joy sooner. Maybe if you could hold out til then you would have more success? Best of luck with it anyway, you'll be suprised how quickly this time will go, I'm sure you won't get to 12 months still bfing!

Pinions · 11/10/2007 19:14

Just an update. Well more than that!

MY SON HAS JUST DRUNK HIS FIRST EVER BOTTLE OF FORMULA!!! AGED 6 MONTHS.

And what cracked it. He is at the stage where he is looking around and wanting to eat and drink everything he sees. So when he saw DS1 with his bottle he wanted one too, so got one...........AND DRUNK IT.

OK its 6 months on but there you go, just in case that helps anyone whatsover!

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moondog · 11/10/2007 19:25

Oh,how funny!
Mind you,well done to you for breastfeeding for so long!

lulalullabye · 11/10/2007 19:39

Oh dear ! Having same problem with dd2 at 11wks. reading thread and thought that as it started in june the Oct post would say that you succeeded at 10wks.

I am not gonna have to breast feed exclusivly for 6mths am I ???????

neeka · 08/04/2008 14:26

i have been fully breastfeeding my dd for 6 months and have tried desperately to get her to take a bottle but she won't entertain it. she will take expressed milk from a bottle but gags on powdered milk. help!!!

tiktok · 08/04/2008 14:32

neeka - best to start a new thread,as this one is very old!!

You can give more info, too, about whether you need to stop because of a deadline, for instance.

neeka · 08/04/2008 14:36

will do. thanx

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