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Measure formula feeds before adding powder or after. I have the answer!

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ChewyJetpack · 07/07/2018 23:40

This is an issue I've been blindly trying to find an answer for recently, finding all sorts of opposing views from all different people on forums, with no authoritative answer on the subject, so I set about trying to solve it myself. Here is the result:

The problem:

Baby formula guidelines are given by various medical authorities. The NHS recommends 150-200ml per kg of bodyweight per day, the AAP (American Association of Pediatrics) recommends a maximum of 32oz per day. Various other sources claim that a baby should be having around 2.5oz, per lb of bodyweight, per day.

The issue arises in how the volume of a bottle feed is calculated. Instructions for powdered formula usually equate 1 oz to 1 scoop of powder, meaning that if you want a 5oz feed, you pour 5 oz of water into a bottle, and add 5 scoops. Once you’ve shaken the bottle, most parents will find that this 5oz feed now measures around 6oz in volume, according to the markings on the bottle. If your baby finishes this feed, do you count it as a 5oz feed or a 6oz feed? This may seem arbitrary, but in fact, if your baby is having 5oz, 6 times per day, that extra oz will equate to more than an entire additional feed.

There is a lot of contention online between parents as to how the volume of a bottle should be calculated. Some claim to only count the water volume before the powder is added, and ignore the extra volume introduced by the powder. Others claim that you should be more concerned by the resulting volume of actual infant milk rather than ignoring the powder.

We are told that bottle-fed babies are prone to overfeeding, leading to potential health problems such as reflux and childhood obesity, so not being able to account for 15-20% of your child’s daily milk intake is a significant issue for a lot of parents.

The solution:

If you want a quick solution, all you need to know is that it doesn’t make a huge difference. Personally, I have decided to count the water volume before the powder is added. This is absolutely contrary to my original stance, and if you want to know why I’ve made this decision, please read on…

The first step I took to try and understand how I should be measuring infant formula was to speak directly to the manufacturers. I contacted the three largest formula brands in the UK (SMA, Aptamil and Cow & Gate), to find out what their recommendations were, in regards to how I should be calculating feeds.

SMA recommended that I measure their formula based on the final volume of powder + water.

Cow & Gate recommended that I measure their formula based on the initial water volume, disregarding any powder.

Aptamil recommended the same as Cow & Gate, so I mentioned to them that SMA had said otherwise and asked why that was. They said they needed to consult their nutritionist and get back to me. A few days later, they replied saying that they’ve changed their stance and, in fact, I should calculate based on the final volume of water + powder.

I then contacted Cow & Gate again, told them about what SMA and Aptamil had said and asked their reasoning. They didn’t reply.

When looking at Cow & Gate products, I discovered something interesting in their nutritional information. On the Cow & Gate formula powder container, the nutritional info states that per 100ml of pre-prepared feed (read: water + powder), it contains 66 kcal. On a bottle of Cow & Gate pre-mixed, ready to drink formula, the nutritional info states exactly the same thing. This means there is no difference in nutrition between the two in their final forms, which directly illustrates that Cow & Gate’s recommendation to only count the water volume in a powdered formula feed is completely wrong.

This would mean that a 5oz feed of powdered formula would contain approx 97 kcal, and a 5oz feed of powdered formula, assuming the final volume appeared to be 6oz would contain 115 kcal. Over 6 feeds per day, this would equate to a difference of 108 kcal per day.

I decided to test this. With the help of my lovely OH, we set about measuring 1oz of water, adding 1 scoop of formula and measuring the resulting volume, very precisely, using a medicine syringe. The result was a 5.28% increase in volume after adding a scoop of formula. This was WAY less than the 20% increase we were expecting. The difference? Bubbles. Lots and lots of bubbles, which we had inadvertently settled during the process of syringing the milk.

The result is that your 5oz feed that looks like 6oz is actually around 5.25oz, meaning that over the course of 6 feeds, your baby is only having 1.5oz (approx 44ml) more than you measured, if you measured by water volume before adding powder. In fact, it also showed us that there really is no easy and accurate way to measure the volume of a feed after mixing formula, unless you want to painstakingly remove all the bubbles before doing so.

Since the amount is so negligible, we have decided to measure by water volume from now on, simply because it makes our lives easier.

We hope this settles the debate once and for all!

OP posts:
ZippyBungleandGeorge · 21/04/2019 22:16

@ChewyJetpack I realise this is an incredibly old thread and you probably don't have the same MN username anymore, but this question has been driving me nuts and I think you are my new hero. Thank you!!

lemonyfox · 17/07/2021 06:58

Just been googling the answer to this and this thread came up. Reviving it in case anybody else needs to see it recently, it's v useful!

RosesandPumpkins · 17/07/2021 07:03

This thread did t get the recognition it deserved in 2018. I read the whole thing despite not having fed a baby formula for 8 years.

It was well researched and well written. Thanks

ForkedIt · 17/07/2021 07:23

Bump.
Because I agree with a pp this is probably very useful to new mums!
I bf so don’t know much about formula but found it very interesting and informative.

ChewyJetpack · 17/07/2021 15:34

Totally forgot I had made this thread! Very glad it's been helpful for you guys. Grin

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addler · 17/07/2021 22:09

This has driven me nuts for years. Thank you for the experiment!

alicevfryer · 05/01/2022 11:26

this was bothering me too! Thank you so much.

I dont know if this is a silly question/sleep deprivation! But.. would this still apply when you got to bigger feeds?

Pizzaandsushi · 13/03/2022 05:24

Definitely a sleep deprived mum over here but can I just double check that it seems adding water to the correct volume then adding powder would be the way forward?
Cheers! X

DropYourSword · 13/03/2022 05:56

@Pizzaandsushi

Definitely a sleep deprived mum over here but can I just double check that it seems adding water to the correct volume then adding powder would be the way forward? Cheers! X
Yes. But I don't really know why it required paragraphs and paragraphs of OP. It's literally the directions on the tin. Follow them step by step and you can't go wrong.
Pizzaandsushi · 13/03/2022 06:06

@DropYourSword thank you! It’s been a steep learning curve with a one week old newborn after a traumatic birth, very bad nipple damage and waiting on a tongue tie referral, so just this one thing has helped keep my sanity.

BeingATwatItsABingThing · 13/03/2022 06:08

I added water and then added the scoops (as directed on the packaging) and demand fed both of my DCs. You don’t need to count baby calories unless recommended by a medical professional.

I also looked at the bottles and saw the bubbles so knew they were the main reason for the higher volume.

DropYourSword · 13/03/2022 06:18

[quote Pizzaandsushi]@DropYourSword thank you! It’s been a steep learning curve with a one week old newborn after a traumatic birth, very bad nipple damage and waiting on a tongue tie referral, so just this one thing has helped keep my sanity.[/quote]
I've been there @Pizzaandsushi!
One thing I found that really helped me was to have a little container that I measured out the formula scoops into. I found as an extremely sleep deprived mum I could lose count of scoops - it's super frustrating losing count when you're adding it directly to the water. It's much easier and less wasteful if you can add them to a container and then pour from there into your water!

Pizzaandsushi · 13/03/2022 06:28

@DropYourSword thank you for another great tip. Any small clean container will do yes? I can 100% see myself losing count of scoops and then I’d also get annoyed at myself for wasting powder 😂

BeingATwatItsABingThing · 13/03/2022 06:32

[quote Pizzaandsushi]@DropYourSword thank you for another great tip. Any small clean container will do yes? I can 100% see myself losing count of scoops and then I’d also get annoyed at myself for wasting powder 😂[/quote]
Tommee Tippee do little pots that are designed to be stored in the bottles for when you go out. I found them really useful for my eldest but we use the TT anti colic bottles for the youngest and they don’t fit in there. Just use them as a handy pot for formula.

BeingATwatItsABingThing · 13/03/2022 06:33

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DropYourSword · 13/03/2022 08:29

I bought the Tommy Tippee pots initially but also got a cheaper one that had 3 compartments. If you Google milk powder dispenser you'll find one easily.
My two absolutely vital tips would be:

  • keep a packet of cornflour. Sprinkle onto bum after nappy change. Really helps reduce nappy rash
  • buy a packet of terry towel nappies. I got coloured ones. I never used them as nappies but they are FANTASTIC cleaning, wiping and drying cloths. Especially if you're dealing with a vomity baby.

That and Bonds wondersuits. If I'd known all that at the start it would have helped me immensely I reckon!

Jellywellyfish · 01/09/2022 09:49

I think a lot of people who make the formula who are conscious of doing it correctly question why the volume goes up. I guess that’s the point of the post. So for those people it’s interesting to understand why as opposed to being told ‘that’s just how it is’ or ‘just follow the instructions’ but obvs not of interest to some which is fine also!

PKZ · 22/10/2022 00:35

Totally agree. Thank you so much !

Mum32rose · 03/02/2023 02:28

Ive been trying to find the answer to this everywhere! Thank you for doing the research, testing and writing about it! Super helpful!

Fibrore · 19/08/2023 00:23

This is by far the absolute BEST thread ever.

Kimmy1988S · 20/11/2023 18:32

Omg thank you so much for this!! Been looking for an answer as my baby is doing bigger feeding and the difference was very noticeable. :D

MaMaJoyce · 18/01/2024 02:50

Now my question would be, if i am giving 240ml water for 8 scoop formula, and it goes up to around 270ml.

if when my baby doesn’t fully finish & is full, say left 30ml.
Then i would subtract 270ml-30ml=240ml, right?

Its in the case of if he doesnt finish and i need to measure how much he fed, then?

But then in this case measuring after water added with formula - if/have what is left over = will be the accurate fed, right?

Then technically, if needing to measure how much my baby intake with left over, would make sense to measure the water level + with formula right?

Any thought?

94kj · 11/10/2024 12:02

MaMaJoyce · 18/01/2024 02:50

Now my question would be, if i am giving 240ml water for 8 scoop formula, and it goes up to around 270ml.

if when my baby doesn’t fully finish & is full, say left 30ml.
Then i would subtract 270ml-30ml=240ml, right?

Its in the case of if he doesnt finish and i need to measure how much he fed, then?

But then in this case measuring after water added with formula - if/have what is left over = will be the accurate fed, right?

Then technically, if needing to measure how much my baby intake with left over, would make sense to measure the water level + with formula right?

Any thought?

I am having this exact thought? If you were counting water volume before adding formula, amd your baby left say 30ml as in your example scenario, then it would seem they have drank the whole 240ml, however they clearly haven't as there is still 30ml left on the bottle which contains both water and formula that they have not ingested. Confused! Did you get to the bottom of this?

Tempest1818 · 04/06/2025 18:06

94kj · 11/10/2024 12:02

I am having this exact thought? If you were counting water volume before adding formula, amd your baby left say 30ml as in your example scenario, then it would seem they have drank the whole 240ml, however they clearly haven't as there is still 30ml left on the bottle which contains both water and formula that they have not ingested. Confused! Did you get to the bottom of this?

Edited

Currently sat here next to an unfinished bottle and wondering the same 😅 perhaps you subtract 240 - 30 so assume baby drank 210ml? Anyone know the answer?

AugustBabyBags · 01/07/2025 10:54

Just came across this gem of a thread and had to give it kuddos because this was driving me nuts to try and figure out.
makes complete sense to me and we’ve been measuring ‘wrong’ for a little while now 😬 but switching to measuring water. TYSM 😌

@Tempest1818 I was wondering this too. But as the OP concludes that the difference is actually small when accounting for all the bubbles etc then I think I’d work in the basis of subtracting from the water amount to give a closer to accurate measure (accepting it’s never going to be spot on).

So our feeds are 150ml water but end up more like 170ml with powder in. When LO leaves 30ml for example, I’d subtract that from 150 and assume she drank approx 120ml-ish.

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