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The baby show - was anyone there? Because.......

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Manictigger · 15/05/2007 12:19

...I went to a mother and baby group yesterday and got chatting to the health visitor (she's the group breastfeeding expert) and she was saying how one of her colleagues went to the baby show at the weekend and listened to a talk by some woman who claimed to be able to get your baby to sleep through within 2 weeks. Colleague was absolutely horrified because said 'expert' (she can't remember her name) talked only about bottlefeeding and when someone actually asked what you do if you're bf she dismissed it with oh just give them a very large feed last thing at night or feed them some porridge. Anyway, colleague wanted to stand up and argue with her but felt too scared too because she would have had to use a microphone in front of a whole crowd of people etc. Both HVs are actually quite angry about it.

Anyway, was anyone there and did they see it, are people allowed to promote bottlefeeding indirectly in this way and who was the 'expert'? Apparently she's supposed to be getting her own C4 show soon. If it's SHMN... just someone say yes and we can all quietly retreat...

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Nightynight · 16/05/2007 22:56

how very depressing. I wont be swelling Channel 4's audience for this pernicious nonsense.

AitchTwoOh · 16/05/2007 23:15

apart from CV and SWMNBN, what other baby gurus are handing out dangerous or duff advice, do we think?

nappyaddict · 16/05/2007 23:16

so she expects a newborn baby to go from 11pm to 7am? ok my baby did it but he was an exception.

do agree with the no visitors in the first week and fresh air mind you.

i know all you lot say you can't spoil a baby, but tbh i've never held ds that much. i hold him when he's upset and that's it really. i don't feel a need to hold him all day but i'm a cold hearted bitch!

he also went into his cot from day 1 but thats because there's no room for a cot in my room.

isn't it a bit contradictory saying most mums dont feed their babies enough and then saying feed them 4 hourly. hardly enough for a newborn!

nappyaddict · 16/05/2007 23:16

so she expects a newborn baby to go from 11pm to 7am? ok my baby did it but he was an exception.

do agree with the no visitors in the first week and fresh air mind you.

he also went into his cot from day 1 but thats because there's no room for a cot in my room.

isn't it a bit contradictory saying most mums dont feed their babies enough and then saying feed them 4 hourly. hardly enough for a newborn!

welliemum · 16/05/2007 23:23

Actually even the "no visitors for a week" thing is dodgy.

I mean, fine if people want to be on their own in that time, but she's wrong to say that visitors risk giving coughs and colds to the baby.

In the first week of life a baby will be pretty well protected by antibodies from the placenta. They don't usually get colds at that age.

6 month olds being lovingly kissed by snotty toddlers is a different thing entirely.

onelittlelion · 16/05/2007 23:25

the no cuddles bit is so so sad

I hope whichever couple is told to follow this method for the'experiment' realises in the first hr what crap it is.

Who 'experiments' anyway with a newborns first experiences....stupid!

tiktok · 16/05/2007 23:35

The 'no visitors' thing is sheer, territorial control masquerading as care for the baby.

Some people might like their mums, or a friend, or someone kind and supportive and loving.

But their presence might interfere with The Regime, and they might whisper doubts into the new mother's ear.

The mother should decide if she wants visitors or not, FGS! I mean.....the nanny is an employee, is she not? Why should she lay down the law in that way?

welliemum · 16/05/2007 23:42

I'm very much afraid that you're spot on there, tiktok.

It's just more control and the "infections" nonsense is a red herring.

VeniVidiVickiQV · 17/05/2007 00:06

Surely there is a HUGE marketing opportunity for MNHQ here, to show people how its really done.

By Parents, For Parents. Real Parenting advice from Real Parents?

They could split each area/chapter into 3 rough methods....the strict routiners, the fence-sitters, and the lentil weavers

AitchTwoOh · 17/05/2007 00:32

i thought they'd already done a book?

VeniVidiVickiQV · 17/05/2007 00:37

Since when did that stop any other parenting 'experts' from issueing 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc editions?

Then toddler books, potty training ones....etc etc.

Imagine the revenue...mnhq.....

They MUST have had offers, with all the publicity MN has had....

In fact, a tv series with a panel of MNers would be fantastic

An interesting line-up would be Hunker/tiktok, Cod, Lulumama, Aitch, Xenia, Gess, Morningpaper/Aloha, Marslady, UnquietDad and Franny. Maybe sophable too.....

AitchTwoOh · 17/05/2007 00:47

and one queen victoria as well, of course...

welliemum · 17/05/2007 00:47

I'd pay a LOT to watch a TV series with that panel!

I'm still keen to do a MN breastfeeding-experiences book which was discussed a while ago.

It would have to have a myth-busting preface from tiktok too.

AitchTwoOh · 17/05/2007 00:49

it's a wild guess, but i wonder if a lot of those panel members might have what are known in the business as 'good faces for radio'..?

nappyaddict · 17/05/2007 00:51

when i said i didn't have visitors for a week that was for myself so i could get to know my baby and chill out and relax without worrying about hosting for other people. nothing to do with colds and infections!

welliemum · 17/05/2007 00:53

A potty training episode with cod going head-to-head with an elimination communicator would be most educational.

welliemum · 17/05/2007 00:55

Yes, but you're normal, nappy. Wanting privacy is a perfectly understandable thing.

Treating your home like an isolation ward isn't.

AitchTwoOh · 17/05/2007 00:55

morningpaper does EC, i think. dd goes ppssss and ppoooo every time she sees a potty or toilet, but still takes a dump in a nappy.

welliemum · 17/05/2007 00:57

There you go! Knew there would be an EC somewhere.

Cod, MP, pick your weapons.

En garde....

VeniVidiVickiQV · 17/05/2007 10:21

aitch!

of those panel MNers that I have met, or seen pictures of, they are beautiful...... No need for airbrushing their photos......

tiktok · 17/05/2007 10:58

I am stunning, of course, and might make the rest of you look a bit, um, plain....soz.

VeniVidiVickiQV · 17/05/2007 11:05

You know, plain is not so terrible, sat next to pig-ugly

VeniVidiVickiQV · 17/05/2007 11:06

of course, I am referring to airbrushed media childcare experts......

moomymama · 19/05/2007 22:20

I complained to C4...

It's not even aired yet, and I'm sure you've had millions of emails like this. Or atleast I hope so. I simply cannot believe that Channel 4 plans to give air time to someone like Claire Verity. She has recently been quoted in the Sun saying: "I start them on solids at 17 weeks. I don't care what the Government says..." I'm sure this juicy controversal statement leaves TV producers salivating at the thought of those ratings, but it leaves the majority of parents and health professionals desperately sad. Our government makes these recommendations based on information that the World Health Organisation has gleaned from extensive research. It is important that the correct information reaches parents so that they are able to make the right decisions, based on FACTS, not opinions. Claire Verity has no right to contradict medical advice, and yes infant nutrition is a medical matter.
She makes such statements to the press, and is known for her cruel childcare regimes, this does not bode well for the programme, no matter how you try to balance it out with nuggets from The Continuum Concept (which will no doubt be wildly misrepresented and taken entirely out of context)
The programme you plan to air, presented by someone so misguided, and incompetant as Claire Verity, has the real potential to do damage. Parents do not need to see extremes in parenting choices, they need to see balance and a sense of reality. They do not need to see parents blindly following the advice of some stranger. They need to see their peers, making choices, based on their own personal feelings and research they themselves have conducted.
For Channel 4 to plan a programme based on creating extreme situations with real families is unbelievable. What possible outcomes do you expect? And to appoint Claire Verity, peddling her shoddy advice, based on nothing but opinion is really quite appalling. Please tell me what results you expect to see in the various families who have volunteered, what conclusions you expect the show to draw about the different methods, and what you expect or hope viewing parents to gain.

Snaf · 19/07/2007 18:50

Have just checked my email and found a message from the Baby Show marketing people (I wrote to them when this all kicked off in May), saying that CV will no longer be a speaker on the main stage at the next Earl's Court show.

I assume that means she will still be there somewhere, spouting her mindless flapdoodle, but at least she's no longer being touted as the Controversial Star.

See? Sometimes complaining makes a difference, even if only a small one! Shame Channel 4 can't do the same....

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